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03-21-2013, 01:18 PM #191 
Originally Posted by
a_miljan
soulman i think u are right to some extent, but please stop dissing the bears. fan is - a fan, no matter what, NO MATTER WHAT
And a fan whose supported this team through good and bad for as long as I have brother will choose any way he wants to criticize what he believes was no more than a contrived scheme to push Brian Urlacher out the door.
You read what I had to say and if you don't see truth in it then all I can tell you is you can't see the forest for the trees. I can't condone the deception and attempted manipulation of public opinion that took place here. I'm not built that way.
I call 'em the way I see 'em. I'm the little kid in "The Emperor's New Clothes" who saw through the scam and said "but he's naked". This was no more than that. A cold and calculated scheme to wait him out hoping he'd retire and relieve them of the burden of putting him out to pasture but I knew all along that wouldn't work. We all should have known that.
So in the end Phil Emery did exactly the opposite of what he said he'd do and that's what I'm calling him out about. There were no honest negotiations here. There was no legitimate "ongoing process" as we were being told there was. There was only the same ultimate end point Phil Emery hoped to arrive at all along and that was the end of Brian Urlacher's career one way or another. He knew all along what he was gonna do if Brian didn't just give it up so he "made him an offer he knew he'd refuse". He insulted him.
If this was the Mafia then Phil Emery would be "sleeping with the fishes" this morning.
So I'll just leave you all with a final question. His offer to Urlacher was for roughly the same money as other players like Hester and Garza are making this year. Who offers more to the team? Was any other player on this team offered as big a salary cut as Urlacher was offered? It was a huge lowball offer and IMHO very disrespectful given the fact that they said they would not be disrespectful of him in these negotiations.
I don't know about you but I hate being lied to so I think my response based just on those feelings alone justifies them. Like I said, that's the way I'm built.
Last edited by soulman; 03-21-2013 at 01:19 PM.
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03-21-2013, 01:20 PM #192
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of course, but dont foreget, if garza had an expired contract i dont think he would even get an offer today, hester would get a minimum one
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03-21-2013, 01:24 PM #193
I said it last night, and I mentioned it a week or so ago. That they might not want back THE Lovie guy, who is also THE locker room leader. This was a shot accross the bow of any current player that still has ties to Lovie, or that is recieving Trestman Cooly(as reported by the score many D players have).
Of course you're going to see JA/Lovie guys leave. That was the plan...when you move from a D system to an O system you are going to lose a lot of the key guys of the former system b/c you wont be able to afford them regardless. The Bears are going to try and build an elite O, and have an average D, and not Great D and average O. So losing guys like Peppers, Tillman, Briggs(all who are older anyways) is not going to be a suprise and would have happened regardless of BU signing or not.
BU was not a player worth signing for 3-4 mil, it's sad but true and the fact that no team came in to create a market proves that. I wanted Brian back this year, only b/c I wanted the new MLB to get to sit and watch for a year and learn from him...but that didn't happen and that is on BU as much as it is on Emery.
This is a new team who is going to forge a new identity, and that is hard to do when a key figure of the old team is still around.
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03-21-2013, 01:34 PM #194 
Originally Posted by
soulman
I call 'em the way I see 'em.
That's why I've always respected your opinions here, and I love reading your posts. This is one of the very few times I don't agree though. And that's fine. You could be right. I could be wrong.
Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis
I'm looking forward to seeing these guys coach. Hope they're good.
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03-21-2013, 01:39 PM #195 
Originally Posted by
soulman
Just more bullshit rationalizations for having made a bad and very unpopular move. Those players who were loyal to Lovie Smith and most verbal about it will all be leaving now one player at a time. Mark this down and remember that I said it. This was a power move and a makeover move to make this team Phil Emery's and no amount of
PR camouflage can disguise that.
I'm sorry but if you all can't get your heads out of the sand and see the big picture here instead of what writers are writing who can't possibly understand just how deep this digs then your knowledge or Bears lore and your understanding of Phil Emery and his motives aren't all that good. I can't imagine a worse way for them to have handled this mess.
Call it a makeover, rebuild, whatever, what we are witnessing is a Regime Change. And what comes from regime changes? New leaders, new processes, new philosophies, AND a new power structure. So, Soul, I don't disagree with your premise, but I don't think it's anything to disparage.
It is all on Emery/Trestman. We come out and play well, consistently, the butt-hurtness of this off-season will soon fade. The key is to win, and, at least, play at competitive level.
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03-21-2013, 01:40 PM #196 
Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99
Soul, for me, this is the bottom-line.
If you believe he can play at a level that helps us, and I know that you do, then that's justification (for you) for keeping him, but at a salary the Bears can afford this year. And I respect your opinion, that he can still help the team.
I just don't agree with that myself. Hey, I could be 100% wrong here and you could be 100% right.
But I do respect how Emery and Trestman handled this. IMHO, Trestman was completely honest in his assessment of Urlacher's play. I re-watched his play last night. He was a mere shadow of his former self, and at times his play hurt the team.
Hurt the team.
If you believe that - and I do. Then he's not a 3 down LB anymore. But I respect your opinion, and admit that I may be wrong. Let's agree to disagree on this one.
You know the old adage about if you can't say something nice about somebody say nothing at all. Well brother now that I've gotten a few things off my chest I think that's the advice I'll follow.
I simply cannot say anything nice about Phil Emery, Marc Trestman, Matt Bowen, or any of the rest of the gang that were all so obviously involved in bringing this to such a sad ending. It was a hose job plain and simple.
Either the man can play or he can't. This partial pussy footing around about it was just a way of rationalizing a lowball offer and you know it too if you're being honest with yourself. The offer was insulting when they've been claiming all along they were in serious negotiations over it. Bullshit!
If my employer came to me and asked me to take a 75% haircut from my previous salary when I'd publicly recognized my value to him was no longer as great and had already offered to take a 60% cut I'd tell him to go fuck himself too and so would about 99 of 100 posters here. So hypocrisy reigns huh?
All of what you're posting, all of what was put out there yesterday by every source you're leaning on was no more than a big PR move to back that play and it was all disrespectful. There was no compromise from the Bears only a take it or leave it offer they knew from the get go would be refused. So they lied. It was all a lie. Every bit of it from start to finish was a lie.
Sorry but I hate being lied to so now having called liars and SOB's on top of whatever else I've said I'll be happy to agree to disagree. But this has far less to do with you're opinions about his play or even what was done than the way they went about it. IMHO that's what's unforgivable and I choose not to.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap.
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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03-21-2013, 01:47 PM #197
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Has Jay Cutler been blamed for Urlacher's departure yet?
Because it's obviously all his fault.
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03-21-2013, 01:51 PM #198
I'll say it. IF cutler didn't need a huge new contract next year, we could have given BU 2 years 11.5.
Not to mention Cutlers awful play which forced an already old BU to play more then he should have if they had gotten a better QB who could have kept the O on the field more.
All JC's fault....but as expected Smokin' Jay Cutler is quoted as saying.......
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03-21-2013, 01:54 PM #199
I agree on the decision based on the numbers involved. What I don't agree with was the implementation. I don't feel that an ultimatum was the right way to go. Then I see money being spent on marginal players. The club wanted 2M Url would have done it for 3M. In this case, the team does not seem to have an issue with spending that incremental kind of money on players that might not contibute. Go 2.5M and say the .5 is just in case he can play better.
This should have gotten done and Url is stupid for saying he might play for 2M for another team but not the Bears. He is worth the most to the Bears and the Bears are worth most to him. Other teams did not make him an offer. The Bears did. That should mean something to him. And what he did for the BEars should be worth 500K.
Both need to put egos aside and this should have happened. It simply was not handled right. From both ends. However, I can say that inflexability when you expect a little loyalty does not get the cart moving in the right direction. I fault the Bears more than I do Urlacher.
It's done. Unless they both step away and take a deep breath, it's over. So for 2 or 2.5M can they do better than Url for a year? IMO they bit off their noses to spite their faces. Both need to act like adults.
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03-21-2013, 01:55 PM #200