Sandusky Victims Lawyer Contends That Firing Paterno Wrong.....

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11-12-2011, 08:38 AM
4th and 26

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Originally Posted by Nick

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well, keeping quiet evidently gets you fired too. Joe Paterno a "whistle blower"??????????? You've gotta be shitting me 4th? I don't see anyway in which he would / could / or should have gotten fired for coming out about this. Please explain how the media would've called for JOE PATERNO's termination for exposing child molestation, and how the university would oblige? Remember...we're talking about Joe Paterno now, not Ron Zook, Brian Kelly, or any other coach in America. There is no present day coach equal to Paterno in college football folklore maybe even ever, so go ahead and explain

Let me guess you think that getting the police involved would not have any backlash against the university? The freaking media would have a field day and go the extra mile to try to dig up shit against Paterno. It would probably start with interviewing former employees of Paterno and finding people who have a problem with the guy. Going public behind your employers back would get you removed from the organization because it would make national news. Just like the Duke Lacrosse case the coach was forced to resign because of the backlash of the media even though the players were innocent the damage was done. I am willing to bet the media would demand Paterno resign had he reported the incident because he was Sanduskys boss and usually people who work with people like this take a lot of heat for exposing a scandal.

Do you think Mike McQueary is ever going to find a coaching job again? Would you hire a guy that broke news of a scandal or was the key witness of a scandal? I am sure he is fearing for his life right now since he made national news. I am sure they are people supporting him and people wishing he was dead. Had Paterno gone to the authorities would probably put him in a very similar position Mike McQueary is going thru. Again the University should have dealt with the problem and they should have gone to the police, not Paterno or McQueary.
11-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Riczaj01

anyone read the 23 page report yet? There are questions about what Mcquery told Jo Pa and the AD/Head of Fin(also in charge of Penn St Police). One person I saw post on the report mentioned that McQuery might have softened what he saw in fear he would get canned for not doing anything to stop it right then and there. It's plausible that that he didn't tell exactly what he saw. And we don't know what Jo Pa knew; it's merely speculation. What we do know is that the AD, after being told was going to investigate it and didn't. And he told Sandusky he was no longer allowed to bring childeren to the campus; he later stated it was un enforceable rule.

On one hand, I dont have a problem w/Jo Pa following the law, he reported it to his supieror who should have reported it to his and so on, and the head of the company/school is then to report it to the police. Jo Pa in this did exactly what he was supposed to, so you just fired a law abiding citizen that followed the rules set before him. A coach that has done nothing but help that campus grow over 60yrs, not just the football program, but the whole campus. You can say Jo Pa IS Penn St, and IS the most powerfull man on that campus; but that wasn't and isn't true, b/c that guy doesn't get fired buy someone not as powerfull as himself. He had/has superiors he had to report to and he did.

On the other hand, if the AD says Sandusky isn't allowed to bring childeren onto campus, then there is no doubt he told Jo PA. He knew that Sandusky wasn't allowed to have childeren on campus, yet he spent the next 10 years w/kids around him that Jo Pa could have stopped and didn't. But in reality, it should have never got to that point b/c the Pres should have been told and they should have contacted the Police ASAP. The failure of JoPa's superiors not to follow through is not his fault.

I also agree w/what the lawyer of those victims is saying; the school should have went to them and said do you find Jo Pa culpable, and do you believe he should keep his job? I also agree that he should have been fired. Regardless of what he knew and didn't, it happened on his watch and therefore he's responsible; that is the reality of leadership.
11-12-2011, 02:23 PM
Nick

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

Let me guess you think that getting the police involved would not have any backlash against the university? The freaking media would have a field day and go the extra mile to try to dig up shit against Paterno. It would probably start with interviewing former employees of Paterno and finding people who have a problem with the guy. Going public behind your employers back would get you removed from the organization because it would make national news. Just like the Duke Lacrosse case the coach was forced to resign because of the backlash of the media even though the players were innocent the damage was done. I am willing to bet the media would demand Paterno resign had he reported the incident because he was Sanduskys boss and usually people who work with people like this take a lot of heat for exposing a scandal.

Do you think Mike McQueary is ever going to find a coaching job again? Would you hire a guy that broke news of a scandal or was the key witness of a scandal? I am sure he is fearing for his life right now since he made national news. I am sure they are people supporting him and people wishing he was dead. Had Paterno gone to the authorities would probably put him in a very similar position Mike McQueary is going thru. Again the University should have dealt with the problem and they should have gone to the police, not Paterno or McQueary.

we're talking Joe Paterno and Penn State, not the Duke LaCrosse team. What was that coaches name again? Sure some in the media would go after Paterno for something if he had turned this over to the authorities, of course. But, where would it go from there? he's not mollesting the kids, he's helping them..saving them! If he turns Sandusky in and it turns out to be false, he's still not going to be fired for doing the right thing here. Do you think Sandusky wasn't questioned by Paterno and the hire ups? do you think he denied it to them? I think he was questioned, he did admit to it and was forced to resign from coaching, but he continued molesting and they all knew.

No, I dont think McQueery will ever coach again. I don't think he'll live a normal life again. However, once again you simply can't compare a guy nobody really heard of (McQueery) to Joe PA-TER-NO. It simply is not the same. Paterno would not have been treated the same. Would you treat him the same? Lets look at this:

1) it's Joe PA-TER-NO
2) He's turning a guy in for child molesting
3) it's JOE PA-TER-NO

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I am willing to bet the media would demand Paterno resign had he reported the incident because he was Sanduskys boss and usually people who work with people like this take a lot of heat for exposing a scandal.

He was Sandusky's boss, so he'd have to resign for turning him in? Those who work with people like this take a lot of heat for exposing it? Give me one example of that happening. The duke story was reported to the authorities by the stripper. Honestly, and I don't know how to say this without being insulting, that statement is you pulling anything you can out of your ass. It's absolutely ridiculous in fact

Now, I agree with Ricza above here, saying the University should've been the one's to do it, but in the absence of leadership, to me, it falls back onto JoPa. I'd be happy if any of them turned the guy in. IF you want to argue it wasn't on JoPA to make the call, I wouldn't have a whole lot to counter with, but claiming he had to keep his mouth shut to save his job...no way. What's more important anyway? he had a lifetime retirement from PSU. If he were let go, he still could've coached anywhere he wanted to.
11-12-2011, 06:59 PM
loki520

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

I am willing to bet Joe Paterno knew of what was happening...

SUCCESS....

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

but the university lawyers probably told him to keep his mouth shut or lose your job over this scandal and tarnish your coaching career.

...with HONOR.

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Originally Posted by 4th and 26

I am sure he regrets not doing more about the situation now that it made national news.

And if the reason he regrets it is because it make the national news, then he's on the same level as Sandusky.

Curious... do you think he regrets it more, or less, than "Victim 1"?
11-12-2011, 07:13 PM
loki520

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

were at Pedo U.

Ever think that, no matter the reasoning, from THEIR point of view, the attitude that allows you to refer to them as "Pedo U" might have played a part in their screwed up decision making process?

Not that it is relevant to ME (I'm firmly in the "no matter what" camp when it comes to acts such as this, but not everyone is....), but ya gotta know that a University, as well as it's sports programs, are all dependent on their success and reputation. Having someone like that around isn't only going to put a gash in that reputation, it's also gonna call into question years and years of successful sports programs, tens of thousands of alumni, and the general idea of PSU itself.

And that was if they took care of it property the first time.

They are royally screwed now. Not only has all that occurred, but the nation has also gotten to witness the student's PROTESTING the firing of an individual who admitted that he knew and who has expressed the idea that he didn't do enough. Basically, he's copped to not having done enough and unfortunately 4th said it.... It appears to all be because the news went national. That's not what he meant, but that's how it comes across.

I'm not sure about you, or others, but every time some alumni of PSU gets on TV now and says something, I start to wonder if perhaps.... just maybe... the also "know" Sandusky?
11-12-2011, 07:20 PM
loki520

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

On one hand, I dont have a problem w/Jo Pa following the law, he reported it to his supieror who should have reported it to his and so on, and the head of the company/school is then to report it to the police. Jo Pa in this did exactly what he was supposed to, so you just fired a law abiding citizen that followed the rules set before him.

Really? The LAW states you are to report things like this to your boss? Or does PSU's POLICY state that? There is a difference between LAW and POLICY.
11-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Riczaj01

Penn LAW states that you are to report it to your supervisor yes. That is one of the first things the DA SAID, and was reported. DA said Jo Pa had done enough to not break any laws, BUT morally hadn't done enough. DA's words not mine; and the DA's tone was taken up by national radio.
11-13-2011, 06:16 AM
The Benjamin

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Penn LAW states that you are to report it to your supervisor yes. That is one of the first things the DA SAID, and was reported. DA said Jo Pa had done enough to not break any laws, BUT morally hadn't done enough. DA's words not mine; and the DA's tone was taken up by national radio.

Yes, by the letter of the law he did all that he was obligated to. But he is still a POS for not doing more
11-13-2011, 08:13 AM
4th and 26

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Originally Posted by Nick

we're talking Joe Paterno and Penn State, not the Duke LaCrosse team. What was that coaches name again? Sure some in the media would go after Paterno for something if he had turned this over to the authorities, of course. But, where would it go from there? he's not mollesting the kids, he's helping them..saving them! If he turns Sandusky in and it turns out to be false, he's still not going to be fired for doing the right thing here. Do you think Sandusky wasn't questioned by Paterno and the hire ups? do you think he denied it to them? I think he was questioned, he did admit to it and was forced to resign from coaching, but he continued molesting and they all knew.

No, I dont think McQueery will ever coach again. I don't think he'll live a normal life again. However, once again you simply can't compare a guy nobody really heard of (McQueery) to Joe PA-TER-NO. It simply is not the same. Paterno would not have been treated the same. Would you treat him the same? Lets look at this:

1) it's Joe PA-TER-NO
2) He's turning a guy in for child molesting
3) it's JOE PA-TER-NO

He was Sandusky's boss, so he'd have to resign for turning him in? Those who work with people like this take a lot of heat for exposing it? Give me one example of that happening. The duke story was reported to the authorities by the stripper. Honestly, and I don't know how to say this without being insulting, that statement is you pulling anything you can out of your ass. It's absolutely ridiculous in fact

Now, I agree with Ricza above here, saying the University should've been the one's to do it, but in the absence of leadership, to me, it falls back onto JoPa. I'd be happy if any of them turned the guy in. IF you want to argue it wasn't on JoPA to make the call, I wouldn't have a whole lot to counter with, but claiming he had to keep his mouth shut to save his job...no way. What's more important anyway? he had a lifetime retirement from PSU. If he were let go, he still could've coached anywhere he wanted to.

My only argument is that the school, not Joe Paterno should have dealt with the problem. Joe Paterno has a boss and it is up to his boss to deal with this issue. I know schools have people that deal with crimes, rapes and theft, etc yet feel they should handle the problem, not a HC in his mid 70's. As for the Duke Lacrosse case, the story went national and before the truth came out innocent people were punished for doing nothing wrong. I believe people are scared to speak up on sensitive issues like this and the fear of losing their job is why they don't speak up when a crime happens. I also believe lawyers and Paternos bosses were involved and they probably told Joe to keep his mouth shut and they will handle the problem yet failed.
11-13-2011, 08:19 AM
4th and 26

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Originally Posted by loki520

SUCCESS....

...with HONOR.

And if the reason he regrets it is because it make the national news, then he's on the same level as Sandusky.

Curious... do you think he regrets it more, or less, than "Victim 1"?

Well making national news and having probably the enitre country wanting to blame him for the incidents probably makes him feel like shit. Every scandal needs a scapegoat and Joe is probably the easiest well know target where his supervisors should be taking the blame for not doing enough.

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