It means that you (the general you) do know what is in the neck bag that comes in the turkeys.
But forget about turkeys, or that you said Tennessee is like Texas (the steers and queers, ya know ;) )
Back on subject.
Atlanta teams outside of the Falcons have no fans. Regardless of whether or not they can make ice without special equipment, give their team to someone who will support them.
I agree with Soul. If you can not naturally form snow and ice on an annual basis without the use of a freezer, you should not have a hockey team.
and baseball shoudn't be in old weather cities, right?.. and football shouldn't go to cities with domes....but that is being pretty rediculous and provincial don't you think? I guess soccer shouldn't be in this country either- or basketball in europe, right?.. why since the Sport of hockey is played INDOORS on INDOOR ICE RINKS, do you need snow outside? what exactly does snow and ice forming naturally have to do with hockey? expect making it harder to get the stadium to see games when it that happens? thanks
It means that you (the general you) do know what is in the neck bag that comes in the turkeys.
But forget about turkeys, or that you said Tennessee is like Texas (the steers and queers, ya know ;) )
Back on subject.
Atlanta teams outside of the Falcons have no fans. Regardless of whether or not they can make ice without special equipment, give their team to someone who will support them.
You obviously have never been to Atlanta before, have you? The Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the sell out about 3/4 of Turner Field every home game. On top of that, the entire Southeast is part of Atlanta's market, so that means that Atlanta has fans all the way from Tennessee to North Carolina, from Georgia and South Carolina to Alabama and Mississippi. I don't know much about the Hawks, but I can guarantee you one thing: the Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the only reason that the Falcons are as well is because they have actually posted two or three winning seasons in a row for the first time in franchise history.
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You obviously have never been to Atlanta before, have you? The Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the sell out about 3/4 of Turner Field every home game. On top of that, the entire Southeast is part of Atlanta's market, so that means that Atlanta has fans all the way from Tennessee to North Carolina, from Georgia and South Carolina to Alabama and Mississippi. I don't know much about the Hawks, but I can guarantee you one thing: the Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the only reason that the Falcons are as well is because they have actually posted two or three winning seasons in a row for the first time in franchise history.
dagan, hate to disagre, but atlanta IS A BAD SPORTS MARKET on the pro level- always has been, always will be.BUT that isnt a reflection on any geographic region( ie the south) or anything as ignorant as that-Just the nature of the city- which has alot of 'transplants" and "transition" people that work there but then leave. Even the braves, that won 13 straight division titles, didn't sell out playoff games, and the one's they did were usually becuase the rival team's fans bought them out, while not as bad as milawakee, a cubs/braves game about 50/50 braves/Cubs same for mets and yankees there.Been to 3 falcon/bears games there and always 15,000+ bear fans at the game( the whole endzone nothing but bear fans in 2008). Both hawks and thrashers a mess and never gained a foothold and 1/2 empty in febuar-its sad.
BUT will say they do Support tremendously COLLEGE SPORTS and college football( ie georgia and georgia tech)- those they show the passion and long term committment to- which is why do think league's foolishly keep trying in Atlanta,but IMO its just a college town,not a Pro Sports town, despite its large size.
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You obviously have never been to Atlanta before, have you? The Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the sell out about 3/4 of Turner Field every home game. On top of that, the entire Southeast is part of Atlanta's market, so that means that Atlanta has fans all the way from Tennessee to North Carolina, from Georgia and South Carolina to Alabama and Mississippi. I don't know much about the Hawks, but I can guarantee you one thing: the Braves are VERY popular in Atlanta, and the only reason that the Falcons are as well is because they have actually posted two or three winning seasons in a row for the first time in franchise history.
Atlanta fans do not show up and support the Braves. At least not to the point you think a successful franchise should. When you can't even sell out a playoff game, it says a lot.
Atlanta fans do not show up and support the Braves. At least not to the point you think a successful franchise should. When you can't even sell out a playoff game, it says a lot.
The Hawks, don't get a lot of support either.
Like DB said, it's college sports and the Falcons
If you read what he said, even the Falcons don't sell out their games to just fans unless they sell about 10-15,000 tickets to the opponent's side.
Ok, speaking as someone that actually LIVES in Atlanta (and has for almost a decade, along with having the maternal side of my family from Georgia still here), there is a bit of truth coming from most of the posts I've read. Benji's right in the aspect of a southern city not being able to host a Winter Classics Game, for starters and the slightest hint of snow or ice totally immobilizes the city/state (it happened earlier this year). DB's right about Atlanta being a transit city/region and we transplanted folk from other parts of the country bring our sports alliances with us (legendary NHL franchises, like Detroit and Chicago sold out Philips Arena, not Thrashers fans. It was like a home game for them). When our Bears came to town, the house was half-3/4 Chicago, the rest, Falcons fans. "Soldier Field SOUTH", baby! The Braves fair a bit better, but not by much. When the Cubs come to town, Turner Field is practically "Wrigley Field SOUTH". Cubs fans are another fanbase that travels faithfully and will take over a lesser-supported club's house. The Hawks (NBA) are owned by the same group that owns Philips Arena and sold the Thrashers. The Hawks have made it to the playoffs 3 straight years now and even they struggle to fill the house for the playoffs! Again, it is the opposing fanbases that snatch up the most tickets. The only difference in local fans support I've seen was for college football and basketball. UGA and Ga Tech RULES down here and you almost have to be a Ted Turner, etc to get a ticket. The Atlanta metro area is large enough, numbers wise, to support all 4 pro sports leagues, but they don't. I heard mostly apathy for the Thrashers being sold: "We had a hockey team?" "Well, they sucked anyway, so good riddance!" "I only like ice in my sweet tea, not watching dudes skate on it!" etc., etc. And, don't get me started on the ignorance I heard from the local hockey "fans" when I was at the games: "Hey, you got the days mixed up; the (NBA) Hawks aren't playing tonight!" or this gem (when the Red Wings and Blackhawks fans outnumbered the few Thrashers fans 30 to 1) "All you people like is basketball and football, don't know why you're at a hockey game!" REALLY?!! This city blew their chance for professional hockey not once, but TWICE (remember the now-Calgary Flames began in Atlanta). They should never get a crack at it again. Good luck in Winnipeg, whatever-your-name-is-going-to-be! Another fact: the Flames won the Stanley Cup (with pretty much their team intact) not long after they left Atlanta.
Call me biased, whatever, but I'm not shedding any tears for Atlanta losing another NHL franchise. I believe they're the first city to do so, too. This will make my commute to the nearest NHL city a BITCH, though....
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." Abraham Lincoln
Ok, speaking as someone that actually LIVES in Atlanta (and has for almost a decade, along with having the maternal side of my family from Georgia still here), there is a bit of truth coming from most of the posts I've read. Benji's right in the aspect of a southern city not being able to host a Winter Classics Game, for starters and the slightest hint of snow or ice totally immobilizes the city/state (it happened earlier this year). DB's right about Atlanta being a transit city/region and we transplanted folk from other parts of the country bring our sports alliances with us (legendary NHL franchises, like Detroit and Chicago sold out Philips Arena, not Thrashers fans. It was like a home game for them). When our Bears came to town, the house was half-3/4 Chicago, the rest, Falcons fans. "Soldier Field SOUTH", baby! The Braves fair a bit better, but not by much. When the Cubs come to town, Turner Field is practically "Wrigley Field SOUTH". Cubs fans are another fanbase that travels faithfully and will take over a lesser-supported club's house. The Hawks (NBA) are owned by the same group that owns Philips Arena and sold the Thrashers. The Hawks have made it to the playoffs 3 straight years now and even they struggle to fill the house for the playoffs! Again, it is the opposing fanbases that snatch up the most tickets. The only difference in local fans support I've seen was for college football and basketball. UGA and Ga Tech RULES down here and you almost have to be a Ted Turner, etc to get a ticket. The Atlanta metro area is large enough, numbers wise, to support all 4 pro sports leagues, but they don't. I heard mostly apathy for the Thrashers being sold: "We had a hockey team?" "Well, they sucked anyway, so good riddance!" "I only like ice in my sweet tea, not watching dudes skate on it!" etc., etc. And, don't get me started on the ignorance I heard from the local hockey "fans" when I was at the games: "Hey, you got the days mixed up; the (NBA) Hawks aren't playing tonight!" or this gem (when the Red Wings and Blackhawks fans outnumbered the few Thrashers fans 30 to 1) "All you people like is basketball and football, don't know why you're at a hockey game!" REALLY?!! This city blew their chance for professional hockey not once, but TWICE (remember the now-Calgary Flames began in Atlanta). They should never get a crack at it again. Good luck in Winnipeg, whatever-your-name-is-going-to-be! Another fact: the Flames won the Stanley Cup (with pretty much their team intact) not long after they left Atlanta.
Call me biased, whatever, but I'm not shedding any tears for Atlanta losing another NHL franchise. I believe they're the first city to do so, too. This will make my commute to the nearest NHL city a BITCH, though....
I find that level of apathy to be odd, Urls, because in Nashville, the Predators and the Titans are very popular. The Predators are an original NHL franchise from the perspective that like the Thrashers, the franchise was born in Nashville. I have been to a game in Nashville in January of 2009 when they played my Blackhawks, and though there were several loyal Hawks fans at the game, the arena was by far filled with navy, silver, and gold. The Titans fill LP Field every game and usually hover around the .500 mark or better. Despite the fact that the Titans originated in Houston, the team's greatest and most successful seasons have come while in Nashville; in fact, the Oilers/Titans lone Super Bowl appearance came over 11 years ago.
Nashville must be far different in the population demographic than is Atlanta. Certainly, in terms of money, there are many, many millionaires living in the Greater Nashville Metropolitan Area because of the country music, banking, and telecommunication industries. I don't know how many Nashvillians are transplants since I have only been to the city a handful of times in my life, but I do know that the only sports team that the city does not like is Vanderbilt University's sports teams; in fact, the University of Tennessee's football and men's and women's basketball programs way outdraw Vanderbilt's programs in those same sports, as well as you will see as many or more UT fans at Vanderbilt sporting events than actual Vanderbilt fans, so don't let anyone tell you that every single team that is part of the Southeastern Conference (SEC) has a big fan following. The most popular team in the state of Tennessee, bar none, is the University of Tennessee football program, which right now is in a rebuilding mode after Phillip Fulmer's style of coaching and strategy sort of left him behind the progression of the game AND Lane Kiffin (now with USC after bolting UT for the school all the sudden) wrecked the football with several NCAA rules violations. Don't let that fool you, though: Nashville area sports are very popular within Nashville with the exception of Vanderbilt University sports.
Zeus, you only find it 'odd', because you're looking at Atlanta through Nashville eyes. No market is perfect, regardless of how badly you want it to be. The only reason it was the Thrashers that got sold, instead of the Coyotes, was the ownership was the first one that relented in accepting a buyer that would move the team, since no buyer in Atlanta was interested enough to want to keep the team here.
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." Abraham Lincoln
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