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    NFL wants $300 million diverted to Vet's

    NFL wants to divert $300 million from first-rounders to veterans


    NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL wants to cut almost 60 percent of guaranteed pay for first-round draft picks, lock them in for five years and divert the savings to veterans' salaries and benefits.
    More than $525 million went to first-rounders in guaranteed payments in 2010. The league wants to decrease that figure by $300 million, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.
    The league's offer would free a total of more than $1.2 billion over four years through 2015 - $37.5 million per team overall - and slow the growth rate of guaranteed payments to first-rounders, which the documents show increased by 233 percent from 2000-10.

    Such quarterback busts as JaMarcus Russell ($32 million), Matt Leinart ($12.9 million), David Carr ($15 million) and Joey Harrington ($13.9 million) received huge guaranteed payments that totaled $367 million in the last 10 drafts.

    Of course, Eli Manning ($24 million), Philip Rivers ($17.9 million) and Matt Ryan ($34.7 million) have not done too badly for their teams.

    Guaranteed money paid to top 10 selections since 2000 reached nearly $2 billion. Guaranteed payments for all first-rounders were at $3.5 billion. The average career length of a first-round pick since 1993 is 9.3 years.

    Eagles president Joe Banner said the original aim of the draft is being compromised by the expenses associated with signing top picks.

    "The whole concept of the draft and ordering of the picks is to maintain competitive balance in the league," Banner said. "Now teams get top picks who have become so expensive and there's the risk you can miss, and it makes the ability to trade in and out of those spots almost impossible. It can become a disadvantage to be in one of the top spots."

    The owners, of course, are the ones offering the huge guaranteed bonuses.
    During talks for a new collective bargaining agreement, the league also proposed eliminating holdouts by reducing the maximum allowable salary if a rookie isn't signed when training camp begins. The NFL also suggested eliminating holdouts for all veterans by prohibiting renegotiations of contracts if a player holds out in the preseason.

    The compensation system would not include a rookie wage scale and would allow for individual contract negotiations. Contracts would have a fixed length of four years for players chosen in the second through seventh rounds and would not affect salaries for those rounds, the league said.
    "From a fairness standpoint, the simple concept to drive this should be that the players who contribute the most to the league should get the most money," Banner said. "What this system does is ensures players playing well in the NFL and bringing in fans and driving TV (ratings) will get the money that went to players who turned out not to be so good. And that is good for everyone."
    The NFL Players Association was not immediately available for comment.

    Several agents said the proposals place unfair limitations on players entering the league.
    "Five years and reduced pay is basically restricting players," said Ben Dogra, whose clients include Patrick Willis and Sam Bradford. "Roughly 68 percent of the NFL is comprised of players with five years or less of NFL experience.

    "Even players from essentially picks 11 to 32 in the first round are good financial deals for the teams. If a player becomes a starter or an integral part of the team under the current system, the NFL teams have the player under a rookie deal that is favorable to the team."
    Peter Schaffer, who represents Joshua Cribbs and Hakeem Nicks, called such a system "scouting insurance" for teams making bad selections high in the draft.

    "It also makes the rookies more valuable when you reduce the amount you are paying to the young guy," Schaffer said. "This will eliminate the veteran middle class because teams can have younger players who are making less and are under fixed contracts."

    A modified salary system for rookies was a negotiating point for a new CBA until talks broke off March 11 and the NFLPA dissolved as a union. The owners locked out the players hours later.
    The two sides are scheduled for court-mandated mediation in Minneapolis beginning Thursday.



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    I think they have to do something with the runaway costs involved with signing top draft choices. I would think most anyone could understand the need to do so. Paying out huge signing bonuses to rookies and then being hung with a guy who's a complete failure on your team, like J'Marcus Russell, not only penalizes you for that pick but it also has a great affect on the rest of your rostrer as well.

    One of the reasons the Bears couldn't trade down in 2005 was the level of perceived talent and the risks associated with the top 10 guys. Here's the 2005 top 10. Not a great top 10 is it? These teams paid out big $$$ and got very little in return.

    Rnd.Pick #NFL TeamPlayerPos.CollegeConf.Notes1 1San Francisco 49ersSmith, AlexAlex SmithQBUtahMWC12Miami DolphinsBrown, RonnieRonnie BrownRBAuburnSEC13Cleveland BrownsEdwards, BraylonBraylon EdwardsWRMichiganBig Ten14Chicago BearsBenson, CedricCedric BensonRBTexasBig 1215Tampa Bay BuccaneersWilliams, Carnell "Cadillac"Carnell "Cadillac" WilliamsRBAuburnSEC16Tennessee TitansJones, Adam "Pac-Man"Adam "Pac-Man" JonesCBWest VirginiaBig East17Minnesota VikingsWilliamson, TroyTroy WilliamsonWRSouth CarolinaSECfrom Oakland18Arizona CardinalsRolle, AntrelAntrel RolleCBMiami (FL)ACC19Washington RedskinsRogers, CarlosCarlos RogersCBAuburnSEC110Detroit LionsWilliams, MikeMike WilliamsWRUSCPac-10

    I could see a limitation on rookie compensation but I'm not sure I could agree to anymore than a 4 years contract length with one year of RFA for any draftee regardless of the round selected. I'm not in favor of the restrictions regarding holdouts though. Imposing a more stringent compensation structure should minimize that as an issue anyway.

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    Soul agree, and even think BOTH the owners and players want this- this is more a PR move, and to quell the only people that do NOT want it- the agents.. so by couching the "rookie cap" to instead a $300 mill "Benefit" for vet players, any agent trying to convince their players to not want this, will be rebuffed.

    Several agents said the proposals place unfair limitations on players entering the league.
    The agents HATE the idea of the larger % of deals they get off rookies to go away AND getting new 50 mill deals each way to go away for them , and the horror have to work harder with their existign clients to get vet deals..: )

    And any rook that does well, WILL be reward in 2 years anyway, as of course the teams will want to get them signed up long term before can hit the open amrket, so do not think affects any good playrs t all.. Just saves teams from wasting $10's of millions on busts that do not desrve it, nd redirecting those funds to the players that have PROVEN deserve the money and nothing wrong with that!
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    Yeah I caught the agent comments about it. It figures that since many of them are or were attorneys that they want the pile they draw from to be as big as possible. They won't lose out though because they'll just raise the percentages they take for negotiating the contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Yeah I caught the agent comments about it. It figures that since many of them are or were attorneys that they want the pile they draw from to be as big as possible. They won't lose out though because they'll just raise the percentages they take for negotiating the contracts.
    actully that is set already, and been going lower, as vet players realize do not need them as much, and their values pretty set, last few years seen a few taking lower %'s or even hiring a lawyer specifically for contract and a accountant for the numbers, is one of the growing fields in sports management.That is why IMO they are so worried about a rookie cap- its one thing to con a niave 20 year old that doesn't know better, quite another with a vet who after a few years of talking/asking around with other players what the deal is and % they get..

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