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    Botched draft deal could lead to rules change

    Numerous Chicago Bears fans have tried to defend general manager Jerry Angelo in the wake of a failed trade between the Bears and the Baltimore Ravens at the end of the first round of the NFL draft last week. The most popular point Chicago fans have made is that Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome is believed to have done the same thing in 2003 to the Minnesota Vikings.
    The problem that Bears fans don’t understand is that there’s a unique difference between the two situations.
    In 2003, Newsome at least tried to call the league to confirm the trade.

    In 2011, Angelo admitted that no one from the Bears even tried to call after Chicago agreed to exchange picks.
    The upshot of this is that while the Bears and Ravens are unhappy with each other, the situation has exposed a flaw in the NFL’s draft procedures by which one team could possibly deceive another team and cause time to expire on a selection. While NFL senior personnel executive Joel Bussert declined to discuss the issue on Thursday, a few team executives said they are concerned about the situation.
    “I would hope nobody would ever do that intentionally to screw somebody over, but even accidentally is really bad,” an NFC team executive said. “You’re talking about people’s jobs being on the line. That embarrasses everybody involved. Ozzie is lucky that [Baltimore owner Steve] Bisciotti trusts him so much. For a lot of other guys, your owner might look at you like an idiot even if the other team made the mistake.”
    At the end of the first round, Baltimore was left holding the bag when Chicago, which was willing to give up a fourth-round pick to move up from No. 29 overall, failed to call in a deal that was agreed upon for the No. 26 overall pick. The clock expired on the Ravens, allowing the Kansas City Chiefs to take wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin before Baltimore subsequently took cornerback Jimmy Smith, the player the Ravens wanted all along. Chicago selected offensive lineman Gabe Carimi.
    Angelo apologized after the first round ended for what he called a “mistake” and took harsh criticism afterward. Bisciotti called into question the honor of the entire Bears organization, including the McCaskey family that owns the team. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell reportedly urged the Bears to send the Ravens the fourth-round pick but ultimately couldn’t do anything because there are no rules governing this particular situation.
    In the aftermath of the deal, Bears fans found a Sports Illustrated story from 2003 in which Newsome admitted that he and the Ravens had agreed to a trade with Minnesota to move up from No. 10 overall to No. 7 overall. Baltimore was trying to get ahead of the Jacksonville Jaguars, which had the No. 8 overall pick, for quarterback Byron Leftwich.
    Just as in the failed deal with the Bears, the clock expired. The key quote, at least from the perspective of fans trying to defend Angelo, was from Newsome. He said at the time: “The deal was not consummated. … A deal is not a deal until I talk to Joel Bussert, and I never talked to Joel Bussert.”
    Some people have tried to take that as Newsome defending his actions not to call. According to Ravens spokesman Kevin Byrne, Newsome tried to call Bussert. The problem was that, at the time, the NFL had only two phone lines to call in to report trades. As Newsome tried to call, the lines were constantly busy. Byrne said after that draft, the league added more phone lines to prevent a repeat of that problem.
    After the 2003 draft, Newsome also joked that then-Jacksonville GM James Harris and coach Jack Del Rio tied up the lines so that they could prevent the Ravens from making the deal with Minnesota. When the clock expired on the Vikings, the Jaguars rushed to get their pick in ahead of the Vikings and selected Leftwich. The Carolina Panthers, who had the No. 9 pick going in, then rushed up to select offensive tackle Jordan Gross. Minnesota then picked defensive tackle Kevin Williams ninth overall and Baltimore selected defensive end/linebacker Terrell Suggs. In hindsight, the Ravens came out better for not making the deal, but that’s beside the point.
    In other words, there was no mistake or intent on Newsome’s part.


    By contrast, Angelo openly admitted the failure of the deal between Chicago and Baltimore was his fault, even though he tried to downplay it as a mistake.
    “The only thing I am going to say is they have rules when you do something wrong,” Angelo said. “Not when people make mistakes. A mistake was made. No rule was broken, OK, so let’s just make that clear here. As I said [last Thursday] night, we made the proper amends from our part and certainly there was no intent other than to do the best we could and it just didn’t work out.”
    Not everyone agrees with Angelo’s viewpoint.
    “I like Jerry, but what he said is BS. If you gave me your word and didn’t even call the league or didn’t call me back in time to fix the situation, that’s wrong. Dead wrong,” the NFC team executive said. “You should pay some penalty. I don’t know what it is, but something. I think Baltimore should have gotten the pick.
    “Again, this is a high-pressure situation. You can’t just say, ‘Oh, no harm, no foul.’ That could be my job on the line.”
    One solution to the problem could be that the deadline to report trades might need to be 30 seconds before the actual deadline to make a pick. That would allow a team a chance to make a pick even if the proposed deal fell through.
    “That’s one way to do it, but this, ‘Hey, my bad, sorry’ routine doesn’t cut it,” the executive said. “When stuff like that happens, everybody is on edge. The coaches, the owner, the players, your fans. It’s just wrong.”


    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...050511&print=1

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    Oh Jeezus how long are they gonna keep bitchin' about it though. Send the cry babies next years 4th so they'll leave it alone and this doesn't have to appear in print ever again. It's just like the damn stories about Cutler's injury in the Championship Game. Are we gonna keep on hearing about this for the next three or four months too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Oh Jeezus how long are they gonna keep bitchin' about it though. Send the cry babies next years 4th so they'll leave it alone and this doesn't have to appear in print ever again. It's just like the damn stories about Cutler's injury in the Championship Game. Are we gonna keep on hearing about this for the next three or four months too?
    Screw that soul!.. as have said, we should send them a pick, right after they send 2 picks to the vikes for the botched 2003 trade with vikes they didn't honor .At least angelo apologized for the mistake, something Ozzie never did, and as ozzie said in 2003 " there is no trade until both sides have their cards in and the commision approves"..So if that is ozzie's rule in 2003 same applies in 2011.

    And before hear any nonsense about how it will ruin the bears chances for a trade going forward, yeah it hurt the bears so bad, that less then 24 hours later we traded up for paea..lol.. so much for THAT impact..

    BTW those "honorable ravens" already in trouble again:

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    A story on Wednesday in the Columbia (Mo.) Tribune stated Undrafted free agent Tim Barnes, a center prospect from the University of Missouri, told the Tribune that three teams contacted him after the draft: the Ravens, Bengals and Dolphins.,,
    NFL spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed to PFW that any contact between teams and agents or players currently would constitute tampering.

    http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...rafted-players

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    The guiltiest always cry loudest for justice when they're not the ones getting it bro. I just want to stop reading about it that's all. It's the US Government who's always trying to resurrect dead horses to ride again not me. Just like the Cutler thing, I'm tired of hearing about it.

    Just because this idiot Jason Cole from Yahoo thinks it's a good idea and keeps writing about it doesn't make it one. He may think we should ship Cutler back to Denver because Orton wasn't all they thought he'd be and they wasted the draft picks too. Wishin' don't make it so.

    PS: I just sent the cork soaker an email telling him he should take his smug self righteous act over to Baltimore and ask to become their PR stooge.
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    The Jerry Angelo rule. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4th and 26 View Post
    The Jerry Angelo rule. lol
    Well he needs to be famous for something besides drafting safties for 7 straight years doesn't he?
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    Seems like a fitting coda to a season that started with an embarassing end to the first game of the season. Personally, I'm glad it all went down the way it did.


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