Thread: Agent wants his players to see NFL offer

Originally Posted by dabears54

Soul, if the union preaches want 100% disclosure, why haven't the disclosed their latest offer to their membership or evn keeping them informed of this?.. Doesn't that directly contradict the idea of full disclosure? if the union can't even do that with their own membership?

Full disclosure from the owners is what the negotiating committee is asking for. What you're talking about here is two different things. If you're gonna bargain you need to know what you're bargaining over. When you buy a vehicle don't you like to know the dealers cost and what his minimum profit needs to be before you bargain?

I agree that the players and their agents should be kept informed of the basics of any proposal made by either party. We know this agent doesn't have that info but we don't know that many players don't. I'm sure that if they contact their team player rep that the info would be made available to all who wanted it. What would be the motivation for the negotiators keeping the basics of an honest proposal from the rank and file players?

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Lockout isn't good; but neither is a non CBA NFL.....tell me again how the players de certin'g was a good idea that has helped bring a deal closer; instead of brigning in more hate and wasting more time?

I've never thought that it was a good idea Ric but then I also didn't think the owners stance in negotiations was a good idea either. Both parties have had a hand in bringing this war to the point that it's at now. Going to court was never the right way to work this out but the reality is that it is in court now and that's something that won't be easily undone.

The mistrust and waste of time came during the 2 years prior to the breakdown of negotiations. The owners attempted end run with that sweeheart broadcast contract and their constant refusal to even consider opening their books until the 11th hour was a set up for problems before negotiations ever began. Like I've been saying this is a war over principals and egos. Money is just the battleground.

Originally Posted by dabears54

yep- Its "ironic", that a union asking for full disclosure from the league, doesn't even give its own members full disclosure of the negotiations or offers.. I mean soul, shouldn't the union be giving full transparency to its members instead of just asking the 1,000 + players to 'trust demaurice and the exec. committe"? : )

Two separate issues as I explained in other post. Just because an agent claims he doesn't have it, and you freely admit that he's not exactly being altruistic in this, that doesn't mean that the players don't or could not have it if it was requested. Surely their player reps can provide that info.

There are times when I analyze private business transactions for clients. I demand full disclosure from the party seeking my clients participation but in giving a thumbs up or thumbs down I'm never asked for every detail of my analysis but I can always provide it if it's asked for. Most only want to know if I think it's a good deal or not.

Originally Posted by soulman

I've never thought that it was a good idea Ric but then I also didn't think the owners stance in negotiations was a good idea either. Both parties have had a hand in bringing this war to the point that it's at now. Going to court was never the right way to work this out but the reality is that it is in court now and that's something that won't be easily undone.

The mistrust and waste of time came during the 2 years prior to the breakdown of negotiations. The owners attempted end run with that sweeheart broadcast contract and their constant refusal to even consider opening their books until the 11th hour was a set up for problems before negotiations ever began. Like I've been saying this is a war over principals and egos. Money is just the battleground.

Kind of reminds you of the movie "Wall Street," doesn't it? Greed has consumed this league to the point that there might not be a season this fall. I really don't know how I'll deal with not having the Bears to watch. They've basically picked up my broken pieces twice in the past five years and kept me from totally falling by the wayside.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Kind of reminds you of the movie "Wall Street," doesn't it? Greed has consumed this league to the point that there might not be a season this fall. I really don't know how I'll deal with not having the Bears to watch. They've basically picked up my broken pieces twice in the past five years and kept me from totally falling by the wayside.

Don't ever hang all of your happiness of the Bears Dags. That's way too dangerous for guys like you and me when we match cycles with a football team.

Originally Posted by soulman

Don't ever hang all of your happiness of the Bears Dags. That's way too dangerous for guys like you and me when we match cycles with a football team.

Do you ever scream at the TV set, hit the wall/table, or if I'm at home, sometimes throw things across the room when I get angry at the play the Bears display in their games in which they don't do so hot?

Originally Posted by soulman

Full disclosure from the owners is what the negotiating committee is asking for. What you're talking about here is two different things. If you're gonna bargain you need to know what you're bargaining over. When you buy a vehicle don't you like to know the dealers cost and what his minimum profit needs to be before you bargain?

I agree that the players and their agents should be kept informed of the basics of any proposal made by either party. We know this agent doesn't have that info but we don't know that many players don't. I'm sure that if they contact their team player rep that the info would be made available to all who wanted it. What would be the motivation for the negotiators keeping the basics of an honest proposal from the rank and file players?

well as he has over 75 players and also talked to other agents who also have heard not a thing- I with much confidence, take the leap, they haven't said a thing to the rank and file players or one of these top agents would know... talking 100's of players there soul, think your are being a little "blinded" in saying they have or could have given it to other players..

jsut saying how ironic it is, they don't disclose what that they are demanding from the league, gues just another "do as i say, not as I do"..: )

And I'm saying they all have player reps from whom they could easily obtain that info if they wanted it. This agent is saying that he does not have a copy the NFL's offer and would like one. There's nothing there which says that players don't have it or couldn't get it.

That aside I think it would be a great idea if that info was shared with the agents. However anything that comes out of their analysis with should be taken with a grain of salt. Their compensation comes from signed deals and right now there are none plus they may be floating a lot of expenses for their draftees. They may not be the most unbiased parties in all of this.

Hell for that matter I'd like to see a detailed outline of the last proposals from both as I'm sure so would you and we'd both be less biased than an agent so why couldn't see a copy if we asked for it too.

Originally Posted by soulman

And I'm saying they all have player reps from whom they could easily obtain that info if they wanted it. This agent is saying that he does not have a copy the NFL's offer and would like one. There's nothing there which says that players don't have it or couldn't get it.

That aside I think it would be a great idea if that info was shared with the agents. However anything that comes out of their analysis with should be taken with a grain of salt. Their compensation comes from signed deals and right now there are none plus they may be floating a lot of expenses for their draftees. They may not be the most unbiased parties in all of this.

Hell for that matter I'd like to see a detailed outline of the last proposals from both as I'm sure so would you and we'd both be less biased than an agent so why couldn't see a copy if we asked for it too.

Yeah, I don't get why the owners at this point don't want to show more transparency in their accounting books than they have to now. It's like you said, soulman: the owners and the players are so entrenched into the heat of battle that they are not about to let up on one another until a set of judges forces them to a "come to Jesus" meeting. At this point (and I know I've said this at least one or two other times), we should be seeing some barriers being broke down, but instead, more are being placed up. That is disheartening to me as a fan. I know DB has said that there will be a time soon that both sides will come together, probably by September, but I'm not so sure I agree with that.