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    Does Using a First Round Pick for a QB Pay Off?

    Does a club need to use a first-round pick on a QB?

    The best signal-callers aren't always top selections. Greg Gabriel



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    With four quarterbacks being taken in the first round of April’s NFL Draft, many believe that in order to get a good quarterback he has to be taken in the first round. I went back and looked at every draft from 2000 through 2010 to see how many first-round quarterbacks have had productive careers and how many have busted. By “bust” we mean “has not played to the level expected by where he was drafted.” It was an interesting exercise which I will share with you.

    In 2000 only one quarterback was drafted in the first round and that was Chad Pennington. He didn’t have a great career but he was successful and turned out to be a good pick. The best quarterback taken in that draft was Tom Brady, who New England took in the sixth round and I don’t need to bore you with what he has done.
    ICONMichael Vick has revived his career in Philly.

    In 2001, Michael Vick was the only first-round QB taken. Obviously he has had an up and down career but it seems as if he may be playing his best football now. The best quarterback taken in that draft was Drew Brees, who was the taken in the second round. By today’s standards he would have been a first-round pick because he was the 32nd player drafted.

    In 2002 there were three quarterbacks drafted in the first round. David Carr was the first overall pick and is now a backup in New York. Joey Harrington was taken third overall and did nothing. Patrick Ramsey has been a career backup. The most productive quarterback from that class was Davis Garrard, who Jacksonville took in the fourth round.

    2003 had four quarterbacks drafted in the first round led by 1st overall pick Carson Palmer. In the last few years Palmer has not played as well as he did early in his career but he has been a Pro Bowl player. The next QB taken was Byron Leftwitch. He had a few years as a starter but has never been more than a journeyman. Up next was Kyle Boller and it’s fair to say he has busted. Rex Grossman was the 4th QB taken in the opening round. He also has had an up and down career but he did lead the Bears to the 2006 NFC Championship. He is trying to resurrect his career in Washington now. The only other quarterback worth noting in that draft was Chris Simms, who was drafted in the 3rd round.

    It may be tough to beat the 2004 first-round quarterbacks. Eli Manning was the first overall pick and has won a Super Bowl for the Giants. Phillip Rivers has gotten San Diego to the playoffs numerous times and Ben Roethlisberger has been to three Super Bowls and won two of them. J. P. Losman was also a first-round pick and it’s fair to say he was a bust. In the 3rd round, Atlanta drafted Matt Schaub and later traded him to Houston where he has played well.

    2005 also saw some productive quarterbacks drafted early but the first overall pick, Alex Smith, is still trying to find his game and has not done much to date. If he doesn’t progress this year he will surely be labeled a bust. The next quarterback taken in the first round in ’05 was Aaron Rodgers. If the draft was done over he would easily be the first pick. Jason Campbell was the third quarterback drafted in the first round that year and while he has had his moments he has to be classified as a journeyman to date. Three other quarterbacks drafted in 2005 have also been fairly productive. Kyle Orton, drafted by Chicago and later traded to Denver as part of the Jay Cutler deal, went in the fourth round. Matt Cassell, who led Kansas City to the playoffs last year, went in the 7th as did Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo. Neither of those two players is with the team who drafted them. Cassell was picked by New England and Fitzgerald was drafted by St. Louis.

    The first two quarterbacks drafted in 2006 were Vince Young and Matt Leinart. Neither has been a consistent player and both are backups. Jay Cutler put up some great numbers in Denver but while he has had production in Chicago, it’s fair to say that he has not been consistent. In the 2nd round, the Viking drafted Tarvaris Jackson who is now with Seattle and it remains to be seen if he will ever be a consistent starter. I doubt it!
    ICONJaMarcus Russell will go down as one of the league's all-time busts.

    2007 was not a good year for first-round quarterbacks. First overall pick JaMarcus Russell has been one of the all-time busts. Cleveland traded up to draft Brady Quinn and he has also been a disappointment. In the second round Philadelphia drafted Kevin Kolb and it remains to be seen if he will become a good pro. The jury is still out because he has yet to play a lot of football, but has done some good things when given the opportunity. Arizona gave up a ransom to get him in trade after the lockout so we will soon find out.

    At this time both 2008 and 2009 first-round quarterbacks look like they will be successful. In ’08, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco were taken in the first round. Flacco is very solid and Ryan looks as if he will be a great player. The only other quarterback taken that draft who has had significant playing time is Chad Henne, but he has been inconsistent at best. The three first-round QB’s in ’09 all look to be very solid picks at this time. Matt Stafford has had some injury problems but when healthy has played well. Mark Sanchez is a winner and just starting to come into his own and Josh Freeman has gotten better with every game. At the time there were some who felt Freeman was a bit of a reach but I’m sure that because of his success, clubs felt comfortable taking the four quarterbacks in the first round this year.

    Only two quarterbacks were drafted in the first round in 2010. The first overall pick, Sam Bradford, had an outstanding rookie year and because of his play many are picking the Rams to be the favorite in the NFC West. Unfortunately, many in the media are already labeling Tim Tebow a “bust” because he may not even be the primary backup in Denver. In the second round Carolina took Jimmy Clausen, who has to be looked at as a disappointment because Carolina came back and drafted Cam Newton this year. The quarterback drafted last year who may turn out to be a great player is Colt McCoy in Cleveland. He lasted until the 3rd round and I’m still trying to figure out why!

    In the eleven drafts since 2000, 32 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round. It’s far too early to even begin to analyze this year’s group so lets put the number at 28. Through the 2010 season only 5 have become what I would call outstanding players. They are Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers. There is another group of 8 who still may become outstanding and they are Michael Vick, Jay Cutler, Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Josh Freeman, Joe Flacco and Sam Bradford. Those who have had inconsistent or underachieving careers have been David Carr, Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith and Jason Campbell. The players the media considers “busts” are Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, J.P. Losman, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, JaMarcus Russell, Byron Leftwitch and Brady Quinn. Chad Pennington had a solid career.

    Those not taken in the first round who have been excellent players are of course Tom Brady and Drew Brees. The next group of good solid quarterbacks not taken in the first is Kyle Orton, Davis Garrard, Matt Cassell, Ryan Fitzpatrick and of course the jury is out on Kevin Kolb. Just looking at percentages, if Tebow doesn’t succeed, roughly half of the quarterbacks taken in the first round have been inconsistent, underachieved or busted. If you look at that in relation to the number of players taken in the first round at other positions I would bet it correlates. Because of the value of the position, clubs feel that in order to at least have a chance to draft a potentially great quarterback they have to take him in the first round. Might that cause clubs to overdraft or overevaluate a player? Yes, but given the value the quarterback has, clubs feel they have to take that chance.
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    Interesting analysis and and the numbers seem to confirm his contention that teams will spend 1st round picks on QB's because that's where the majority of the very good to great ones come from. Even the slightly better than average Rex Grossman got us to a Super-Bowl.

    It's a 50-50 shot that your 1st round QB will be productive or a star and I'm sure the odds are much lower once you get below the second round but interestingly enough those lowly 6th and 7th rounds have produced the likes of Tom Brady, Sam Cassel and Ryan Fitzpatrick all of whom you'd have to consider successes although onme far more than the others. Based on this the drafting of Enderle made some sense from a certain standpoint and we were able get a very good backup as an UDFA.

    So what do we take home from this? Draft your big guys in one and bargain shop the lower round for your backups? You never know where you'll get lucky do you?
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    Depends how the scoring is set up.

    In a lot of leagues I have been in, the QB is usually the highest scoring player in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    Depends how the scoring is set up.

    In a lot of leagues I have been in, the QB is usually the highest scoring player in the game.
    Benji, this applies to the real thing not Fantasy Football. Gabe's article was from NFP not Rotoworld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Benji, this applies to the real thing not Fantasy Football. Gabe's article was from NFP not Rotoworld.
    Note to self: read article not just title

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    hysterical Benji faux pas aside....

    I think if anything, this article shows how volatile drafting QBs can be, and more interestingly, it seems there are "good years" and "bad years" for drafting 1st round QBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    hysterical Benji faux pas aside....

    I think if anything, this article shows how volatile drafting QBs can be, and more interestingly, it seems there are "good years" and "bad years" for drafting 1st round QBs.


    Yeah I believe that too. Certain draft have produced great QB's like 1984 draft (I think it was that one) where you had Elway, Marino, Jim Kelly and then the failure Todd Blackledge. Based on what he's saying even though the QB crop isn't rated that great in a given year some teams feel compelled to draft one because of that 50-50 outcome. You really never know where the next great one will come from.

    Case in point; Peyton Manning 1st pick, Tom Brady 6th round pick.



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    Depends on how well the rest of the team is set up for the qb to either go in right away and succeed, of if the team is bad enough that you need for him to sit and learn.
    Problem w/drafting a qb high, is that normally the reason your drafting that early is that you have to many problems for one guy to fix. And if that problem is OL your going to get that QB killed/skittish, by the time you get the line built. I didn't read the article, but I bet the majority of those young high round qb's that got drafted that have had a lot of success probably had a lot of really good OL/run games early on in their carrer(look a Big Ben for example) that was able to protect/carry them while they were able to catch up to the speed of the NFL.
    I actually like what the Jets did, built an OL, then when they had it where they wanted it, drafted a early round qb in Sanchez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Benjamin View Post
    Note to self: read article not just title
    Funny thing is I initially thought the same thing. Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigClaws View Post
    Funny thing is I initially thought the same thing. Too funny.
    Ok, Benji, Claws, just to set the record straight you will never see me, the old soulman, ever post anything even remotely related to Fantasy Football, LOL. I just never got into it any more than I got into Madden or anything else that wasn't the actual thing. I'm an anachronism, I know.
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