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    Shanahan Stumbling in Washington............

    Shanahan stumbling after wrong decisions at QB

    By Les Carpenter, Yahoo! Sports Oct 25, 7:54 pm EDT

    To think one gamble would matter so much.

    Mike Shanahan is 9-13 in two seasons with the Redskins.
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    Mike Shanahan was never going to have much time to make the Washington Redskins great again. He took the job as the team’s head coach telling people he thought he had two seasons before owner Daniel Snyder would want to run his team again. If Shanahan could win in these first two years then he believed he could probably keep control. And with Shanahan everything is about control.

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    What he never seemed to grasp – or maybe didn’t care to see – was how deep the franchise’s decay had become, how much work it would take to rebuild a disaster in 24 months and how much he’d have to be right when picking his next quarterback.

    Once he decided Jason Campbell(notes) wasn’t the team leader, he had two choices: draft or trade for the team’s quarterback of the future, or jump the development process with someone experienced hoping to make the Redskins competitive sooner. In the end, he bet heavy on crumbling and stubborn Donovan McNabb(notes) and never found that quarterback to grow. Now, 22 games into his time as the ruler of the Redskins, he is left with the legacy of a failed McNabb experiment and two journeymen who can’t seem to hold onto the job no matter how many chances they get.

    And with a 9-13 record in Washington you have to wonder if it is ever going to work for Shanahan and the Redskins, because staking your reputation on John Beck(notes) and Rex Grossman(notes) is probably not going to bring the playoffs again this season.

    Shanahan is a quarterback man. Everyone knows this. It is supposed to be one of his great strengths. He tamed John Elway enough to win two Super Bowls in Elway’s final two seasons. He rode Jake Plummer to the AFC championship game and he built up Jay Cutler(notes) before the axe fell in Denver. He showed he can take three unique players with diverse skills and mold them into his offense.

    Then he came to Washington and, so far, has failed to find the man who can lead the Redskins.
    His record on acquiring players was always suspect, even before Snyder gave him control of the roster. One of the biggest criticisms of Shanahan from football people is that he didn’t listen enough to his scouts, that he relied too much on highlight tapes, picking a player’s 10 best plays and saying he would coach him to that level. This has served him well at times. His worst critics say he has often overcome bad personnel decisions with good coaching. He has made players better. And once his run-blocking schemes took hold in Denver the Broncos trampled over AFC West defenses.

    But the same hubris led him to believe he could do better than what Andy Reid accomplished for a decade in Philadelphia in disguising McNabb’s stubbornness and passive-aggressive leadership. He figured with a few adjustments McNabb could be a three- or four-year bridge to that next great quarterback. This, of course, was a disaster. McNabb did not adapt to change. He struggled to run Shanahan’s offense, bouncing passes and failing to find the best receiving targets. Before the end of the first season he was banished to the bench and ultimately traded to Minnesota where he has already blown up less than two months into the season.

    Perhaps the McNabb debacle would have been survivable had Shanahan drafted a quarterback upon arriving in D.C., say a Colt McCoy(notes) or even picking an Andy Dalton(notes), Jake Locker(notes) or Christian Ponder(notes) this past spring. But he had gone too deep with McNabb. He had given up a second-round and fourth-round pick for him. Drafting someone else would have sent a message to McNabb that he was only a temporary solution and probably would have led to the same insecurity he had in Philadelphia over the Eagles’ pick of Kevin Kolb(notes).

    In the end, the Redskins wound up without McNabb, a legitimate replacement or the hope that anyone promising is looming for the future.
    Mike Shanahan and the Redskins gave up two draft picks to get Donovan McNabb from the Eagles.
    (AP)

    The tragedy of this, in the truest definition of the word, is that Shanahan has done a good job of otherwise rebuilding the Redskins. He has made the defense younger and faster. He has added more wide receivers and developed a talented tight end who is a traditional fit for the West Coast offense. He finally got the offensive line to grasp his blocking schemes. And he added enough running backs to make it work. But now he has no one to lead.

    He could have muddled through the season with Grossman, who once took the Chicago Bears to the Super Bowl. The key was to not ask Grossman to win games but rather control them. But the Redskins started asking Grossman to do too much and he imploded, leaving Shanahan to go back to Beck, a player he once coveted years ago in Denver. After watching Beck on Sunday in Charlotte it’s hard to see him as any great solution in Washington. Beck is a limited player who is prone to fumbles, with seven in his seven career games in Washington and Miami. He has 11 turnovers in those seven games and many of his passes wobble.

    But if not Beck or Grossman then who? How could Shanahan of all people wind up in this mess? The Redskins are 3-3 and after a promising start are looking very much like a team on the decline. They have had critical injuries including left tackle Trent Williams(notes) and running back Tim Hightower(notes), yet he finally built the depth in Washington that the Redskins didn’t have when Snyder and Vinny Cerrato were running the team.

    What the Redskins don’t have is a quarterback upon which to build the Shanahan era. No one is waiting. And with a season spiraling out of control, with no big reason to hope for a quarterback of the future, the window is closing fast on Shanahan’s two years of freedom.
    That It’s no longer too soon to wonder if he will ever recover from the failed bet on Donovan McNabb.
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    The reason I posted this is that I had an intriguing thought. If Shanny fails in Washington would he consider a position as OC of the Bears? It's a little far fetched based on how much $$$ he commands but he's great offensive coach in the mold of the type of guy we need for this offense and for Jay Cutler.

    Typically Shanahan wants complete control of his personnel which of course won't happen as long as Jerry Angelo holds the GM spot but if the Bears fire him or move him out of his role as the personnel guy and we gave Shanny total control over his offensive players maybe we could attract him into that roll. If not would he be a guy we should look at to replace Lovie Smith?

    I'm very familiar with what he did here in Denver and with a defense like the Bears typically field and Shanny's abilities with Cutler and Forte we'd be a force in the league again. The biggest problem he had in Denver is pretty much the opposite of the Bears problems. Where Angelo allowed our OLine to go to hell Shanny did pretty much the same with the Broncos DLine depending on aging vets to plug holes while failing to draft good young talent. After a while even his offense couldn't overcome the teams defensive shortcomings and frankly firing him did absolutely nothing to change that.

    He's not out of our price range as a HC but he's far out of it as an OC. But, if Synder fires him and has to pay off the balance of his contract the Bears may get him on the cheap with Snyder making up the difference. I just wonder how he'd like to work with Jay Cutler again and how much Jay would love to have him as an OC. It's a thought.
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    This douche actually evaluated Rex Grossman as starter quality in the NFL. No; he's over just as much as Martz is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    This douche actually evaluated Rex Grossman as starter quality in the NFL. No; he's over just as much as Martz is.
    You gotta remember that all he has to work with are Grossman and Beck. He doesn't have a Jay Cutler at his disposal but when he did he sure knew how to use him better than Martz ever has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    You gotta remember that all he has to work with are Grossman and Beck. He doesn't have a Jay Cutler at his disposal but when he did he sure knew how to use him better than Martz ever has.
    Yeah but record as starter was:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Goggles View Post
    Yeah but record as starter was:

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    True but due far more to a non-existent defense than anything else and that problem still hasn't been corrected. I'm willing to bet that Pat Bowlen AND John Elway wish that Shanny and Cutler were still here. Firing Shanahan and hiring that kid wonder has cost him a lot of ground. They need a major rebuilding now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    True but due far more to a non-existent defense than anything else and that problem still hasn't been corrected. I'm willing to bet that Pat Bowlen AND John Elway wish that Shanny and Cutler were still here. Firing Shanahan and hiring that kid wonder has cost him a lot of ground. They need a major rebuilding now.
    Yessir I have a good friend that's a big time Broncos fan and remember sitting with him when Denver moved up to grab Cutler in the draft. I don't watch much college football but I like what I saw from Cutler and would've loved to have him on my squad. Little did I know at the time we were one McDaniels away, so I was excited when we made the move and my friend is still bitter to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear Goggles View Post
    Yessir I have a good friend that's a big time Broncos fan and remember sitting with him when Denver moved up to grab Cutler in the draft. I don't watch much college football but I like what I saw from Cutler and would've loved to have him on my squad. Little did I know at the time we were one McDaniels away, so I was excited when we made the move and my friend is still bitter to this day.
    I'd just like to see Cutler get the benefit of some good coaching in a QB friendly system. To me Martz system grinds up QB's because of the hits they have to take sometimes waiting for his "big plays" to develop. I don't want to see one of the more talented QB's in the league destroyed by the way he's being used and the poor support he's had around him.

    Shanny is kind of a tyrant to and he likes things his way but he does know how to get the best out of his QB's. Maybe that's because he was one himself. A long time ago I got my first sales job with a company whose owner had been a sales rep earlier is his career and we got treated very well. No one ever questioned an expense report when he was in charge and if you weren't spending ENOUGH on entertaining customers you had a little sit down with him to learn how important that was.

    I think the reason the Bears defensive players always say how much the like playing for Lovie (Chris Harris now claims he was lieing about that all along, LOL) is because the guy was a defensive player himself and treats those guys well. Word has it he'd like treat the offensive players better but he doesn't know any of their names.
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