Thread: Suh

Matt Bowen isn't pulling any punches about what the league needs to do with Suh. It's obvious his coaching staff isn't willing to do anything to correct the problem so you fine him $100k and sit him for four games without pay. If that doesn't get his attention the next step is to have him sit out a year.


After kicking a player today, a suspension is the only option.
Matt Bowen
Print ThisNovember 24, 2011, 09:55 PM EST
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I played for coaches in my career that preached and drilled a physical brand of football. Tackle hard, push the envelope and put that style on tape for the entire league to see.
Call it “controlled violence” if you want to. And, at times, it could get nasty.
ICONIts time for Rodger Goodell and the league office to hand out a suspension to Detroit's Ndamukong Suh.

That’s pro football from a defensive perspective.

However, what we saw today from Ndamukong Suh in the Packers’ 27-15 win over the Lions isn’t taught in the NFL or at any level of football.

Instead, we watched Suh kick the Packers’ Evan Dietrich-Smith. A defenseless player laying on the ground. And let’s not forget this went down after Suh slammed Dietrich-Smith’s head in the turf a couple of times.

Dirty? No question. Unprofessional? You bet.

The way I see it, that is flat out embarrassing move from a guy who has been fighting a reputation as a “dirty player” since he came into the league.

Suh deserved to get tossed and there is no reason to argue that.

Up until today, I’ve tried to look past Suh’s garbage. I really have. You see the talent—the Pro Bowl talent—and convince yourself that he isn’t a dirty player. A guy that plays through the whistle at times, but not a player you single out for what he brings to the stadium on Sundays.

I can’t do that anymore—and the league office shouldn’t either.

Even if Suh didn’t have the past history of questionable moves on the field, it is still time for Roger Goodell to shut him down for a while.

Make an example of the DT and discipline him with a suspension.

If this league wants to take money from defensive players who duck their head just before contact (and happen to lead with the crown of their helmet), then this is a situation that requires the league to speak up. Sit him down, take his money and show him this style of play isn’t a part of the NFL.

How would you handle it? Let me know…

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Originally Posted by motownbear

I have a few points I would like to make

1. During the suh ripping cutler helmet incident that he didn't get fined for it looked like suh tried stomping his head and missed. At the time didn't think intentional but now for sure that was his intention

2. I know pack don't want to take dumb retaliation penalties but come on don't let your teammate get stomped out there. Blow that punks knee out teach a lesson to other players

3. Suh is what I said a few weeks ago haynesworth 2.0 and it's a product of his dumb ass coach. It is one thing for the garbage talent on his team to use those antics but he is too good to resort to that. He actually IMO regressed taking on this dumb ass persona

4. Love how the Detroit fans even are getting sick of this. It was all nice and cute when they were undefeated now they see the whole he is putting them in

5. League should suspend the punk the rest of the year like haynesworth was for his stomping incident. But he didn't even get fined for ripping cutler helmet off. Must of been a bad ass bj he gave goodel so prob just get two games


I hope someone ends his career with a cheap shot what goes around comes around

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Originally Posted by Evernight

Playing for the Vikings.

Ouchhhhh!

Originally Posted by Butka

Don't forget that there's a common link between Suh and Haynesworth. It's Jim Schwartz. He was the D-Coordinator in Tennessee while Haynesworth was there. Without being in practices, I can't be sure he teaches the cheap BS, but his actions have proven that he, at the very least, enables it.

I'm not sold he'll get the proper suspension for what he's done. He's gotten off easy for what he's done so far. I think he's pulling the Eddie Haskell routine with Goodell, and Goodell has bought it so far. I hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if he only got 1 game, even though Haynesworth got 5 for stomping Gurode.

You're right about the Eddie Haskell thing. I watched a video of his press conference and he's insisting he did nothing wrong. He said when he was shoving the guys head into the turf he was just trying to stand up and that he wasn't stomping on him just getting his balance, LOLOLOLOL!!!!

There is no way anybody who watched the video would agree that shoving a guys head down several times constitues and attempt to get to his feet. Even a 70 year old man could get to his feet better than that. The stomp may have been made in frustration but if that's the case it was a very well aimed stomp.

It's obvious Schwartz condones it even if he doesn't teach it. He has yet to come out and say that his guy was wrong and to let Suh continue with his excuses and self deception only means that it will happen again. I'm telling you the guy has some real mental issue. You can see it and hear it in the way he talks about it.

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We'll know soon if Suh statement is genuine

November, 25, 2011Nov 25
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By Kevin Seifert


Andrew Weber/US PresswireNdamukong Suh's play on the field will determine whether his statements are genuine.
Reasonable people could debate whether it's possible for a person to pull a 180-degree change of heart in a matter of hours, as Ndamukong Suh would have us believe he did Friday night. If you wanted, you could note that the statement he released -- where he admitted his actions Thursday were "unacceptable" and "a mistake" -- closely mirrored and was released almost in conjunction with a statement from his employer.

Did the Detroit Lions mandate the statement he released as a condition of his continued good standing with the organization? We'll never know, and more important, it doesn't matter. We'll see soon enough whether this flurry of statements was genuine or half-hearted spin.

If Suh truly understands that he finally obliterated the line between aggressive and dirty, we'll never see him approach it again. We won't see helmets flying in his vicinity. We won't hear any more of his increasingly indefensible rhetoric about intimidating quarterbacks, or refusing to consider a change in his approach to the game. We'll see a dramatic slowdown in his count of personal fouls, and we'll be done getting tortured explanations for sketchy plays. (My personal favorite will always be the Shaq Suh defense. Our August post on that issue is here.)

You might say that a player can't make that kind of change overnight, but that's basically what Suh has set himself up to do if we are to believe a statement that read, in part: "I made a mistake, and have learned from it." Once you pound an opponent's head into the ground three times and then stomp on his arm, you lose both the opportunity for gradual improvement and the right to hover near the line. With a multi-game suspension looming from this incident, Suh's long-term career is riding on his ability to back away from the line and never cross it again. He can't afford to leave a doubt -- ever again.

And for that matter, it will be fair to hold the Lions accountable for their statement as well. The team said his actions were "unacceptable" and that "going forward," he will be expected to reflect the "high standard of professionalism" expected from all Lions players.

If the Lions are serious about that, they must be willing to take substantive action against Suh if he can't contain himself in the future. The NFL's collective bargaining agreement (CBA) limits team-issued discipline, but it doesn't prevent it. If they want to, the Lions could suspend Suh for up to four games based on contact detrimental to the team. They also have the final say over his continued employment with the franchise.

Intentionally or otherwise, the Lions and Ndamukong Suh put themselves on the clock Friday night. We'll see if they can handle the implications that lie within.