Soul, I'm pretty sure you agree with us that Eli is not, AS OF RIGHT NOW, a lock to be a HOFer. I'm also pretty sure that your point is not about Eli, but about Warner (whom you admittedly dislike) discussing it.
Care to tell us why Warner is on your shit-list? Or is it, as could also be inferred, merely the idea that someone "less" accomplished than another has no right to offer criticism's (however valid or relevant)?
Warner, as an ex high level qb has every right to discuss current qb's (Eli, Brady, Peyton, Cutler etc); ecspecially when asked.
He has even more right to talk about Martz/Cutler seeing as he played in Martz's system, and therfore knows what Cutler would be going through.
Eli isn't there yet, someo of his #'s are downright poor for today's NFL. What puts him in the discussion is the fact that he has stepped up and helped his team win in big games(SB/mvp). If it weren't for that he wouldn't be in the discussion at all. Remember before he won his SB a few years ago he was being looked at as a boarderline bust, and not a franchise qb. And before their big run(when the D finally got healthy) Coughlin was looking at getting fired and there was a ton of heat on that whole team, Eli included.
Fact is it's easier then ever now to have gaudy QB stat's, if your #'s aren't there you have to question the qb's potential. A lot of these guy's couldn't have played in the 70's, 80's and 90's when the QB's wouldn't get sacked, but crushed..and the WR's were physically assulted all the way down the field.
1) It isn't "Brady vs Manning" it's "Brady vs Giants defense" and "Manning vs Patriots defense." The Patriots defense is dogshit, the Giants had one of the best. Big difference. Had Brady been playing the Patriots defense he'd probably be hoisting the trophy instead.
2) I fvcking HATE Tom Brady and even I have zero doubt he'll be in the hall. Mannings career numbers are far from impressive. He needs a few more good seasons to be even in the conversation. Superbowls IMO aren't what make a QBs entire career (see: Marino, Dan), it's about whether or not they play the majority of their career at a high level. I don't care if you win 16 Superbowls in your career, if your name is Ryan Leaf odds are your team won in spite of you, not because of you thus you don't belong in the hall.
3) You say "stats aside" and then bring up some more stats. Why does it matter who he lost to? The Giants got hot at the right time (similar to the Packers run last season) and ended up benefiting from it.
I don't deny any of that but down the road most will forget the defensive effort and it will be Eli out dueled Brady twice so why isn't he in of Brady is. In other words why should Eli get dinged for a lesser regular season record if Brady doesn't get dinged for his two SB losses to him.Quote:
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I'm talking about won and loss records as far as the SB is concerned not individual stats for yardage or completions passer rating etc. Just SB. Does Favre deserve the SB on the basis of his stats. Maybe and maybe not but he'll get it for other things. Once again just sayin' that Warner who only won one SB is commenting on Eli right after he just one his second. The defense won the game but folks will remember that last drive down the road more than the sacks.
Eli isn't getting dinged for a lesser regular season, he's getting dinged because he hasn't played at a high level long enough to be considered a HoF candidate.
Favre won't be getting into the hall based on Superbowls, it will be based on the fact that he played forever and most of the time it was played at a high level (despite the fact that he threw ints like they were going out of style some of that time).
You're right though, it's unfortunately very much the "flavor of the month" in the NFL. If you win the Super Bowl you're the greatest ever suddenly and they all talk about you as if you're total God Mode which is rarely the case. They blow shit way out of proportion to an absolutely mind numbingly sickening level.
Actually I think its quite poetic that Warner has made these comments...if I remember correctly, Warner too was a favor of the month QB, who looked to be on the fast track for the HOF...I am not sure his career worked out quite that way...being on track and staying on track are two very different things, just ask Kurt....