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Originally Posted by
purplejokr 
I think that you're both wrong. Here's why;
Matsellah... 1) You become successful by doing what the other guy is unwilling to do.
Or you become successful by having a smart business plan, hiring good coaches with a good system, and getting players to fulfill that system
One of the consistent gripes that I read on this board since I've been here is how the Bears NEVER think outside the box in their coaching hires, in the draft strategy, & in their FA strategy.
Since when? Bears fans are some of the most conservative fans in football...we dont WANT them to think outside the box and be reckless. We want Running game, Defense, and Respectable players. We hate prima-donnas (which is why TO or 85 wouldnt be too welcome here). If you ever HAVE heard us saying the Bears dont think outside the box, its probably more of a compliment, not a gripe.
Snyder spends a boatload of money TRYING to make the Redskins a contender. Does he spend money wisely every time? Heck, no! The point is that Snyder is WILLING to make the effort to build a winner. As far as organizations go, I would much rather have them reaching than being too afraid to do anything at all. Case in point, the Bears' SB season, there was one major move that could've been made to push that team over the top after the loss to the Colts. The Bears stood their ground and have tasted victory in the playoffs once since that SB team.
And how many times have the Redskins tasted playoff victory during that time period? Thought so.
I get that there is a happy median but for a Bear fan to criticize another organization for being too aggressive just seems silly to me.
For both of you...
2) I want both of you to think back to the 2004 NFL Draft. That was when Eli Manning was coming out of college alongside Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger. The Giants paid a king's ransom for Eli when they made that trade and I would think they would do it again considering all of Eli's success in the NFL.
There is NO WAY to quantify value of RG3 today. He could be a GIANT BUST or he could win multiple Super Bowls. We just can't know. The only thing that we know today is that the Redskins have assured themselves to get one of the top two QBs in the 2012 Draft.
We also know that the Redskins have changed their strategy a bit by passing on Vincent Jackson who ended up in Tampa Bay. Combine that knowledge with how the Redskins quietly and smartly upgraded their WR corps from Santana Moss and Jabar Gaffney to 25 year old Pierre Garcon, 27 year old Josh Morgan, they're rumored to be working on trying to get 26 year old Eddie Royal into the fold as well which gives RG3 three solid targets to throw to when training camp opens for the 2012 NFL season.
Like I said friends, there is no way to know if the haul given up by the Redskins to get their franchise QB will be reasonable but we do know that there are aggressive teams and there are passive teams. At the end of the day, I want the organization that I support to be more on the aggressive side because I don't believe that you can win when you're sitting on the sidelines.
No, we cant quantify what RGIII is worth, but what we CAN quantify is how much 3 First round picks are worth, and it basically sends the message: "this better work out or it is the biggest mistake in NFL history."
You want to use the Eli as an example of success, the flip side of that is the Saints and Ditka doing pretty much the same thing for Ricky Williams...and look how much that set their franchise back.
Honestly...i dont care about this, its the REdskins, its their problem, im just glad the Bears would not make an idiotic move such as this. More power to the 'Skins i guess, it better pay off since it will be awhile before they can draft in the first round again!!
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motownbear I don't ever think tradeing for a qb is too much especially with bears history I just hate how bears got dogged for doing it
And the reason skins opted out of vj sweeps is they are losing 16 mil this year and next year for violating rules
The Bears picked up a known quantity.
The Redskins have traded for nothing but potential. RG3 might be a bigger douche than Cutler. We just don't know yet.
Jackson was too expensive and it was refreshing to see the Redskins NOT chase a FA for once. Even with the unfair $16MM hit, their cap situation is splendid. Absorbing that hit really isn't that big a deal.
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Originally Posted by
Jimmors Or you become successful by having a smart business plan, hiring good coaches with a good system, and getting players to fulfill that system
Yes. And by working 9 hours when your competition works 8. Or buy investing more heavily when your competition is too conservative. By doing what your competition is unwilling to do puts you in a advantageous position and at the end of the day, being the aggressor means you get the first crack at it.
Originally Posted by
Jimmors Since when? Bears fans are some of the most conservative fans in football...we dont WANT them to think outside the box and be reckless. We want Running game, Defense, and Respectable players. We hate prima-donnas (which is why TO or 85 wouldnt be too welcome here). If you ever HAVE heard us saying the Bears dont think outside the box, its probably more of a compliment, not a gripe.
I'm sorry. You must be new here. I have read year after year how the Bears don't spend enough money on FAs, how Angelo's draft choices are always too conservative, how Lovie has been crucified for continuing to say the same things over and over, how Rivera was run out of town for doing the same thing over and over again, how the McCaskey's refuse to spend any money... Shall I continue? Bear fans aren't dumb. They see where the league is going and how passing is becoming more and more prevalent each year. I am happy for Bear fan that the new GM went out to get Marshall so that Cutler has at least ONE real WR to throw too.
Speaking of prima donnas, Marshall was a GREAT acquisition!!
And let's be honest, the Bears are not a running team anymore. They may be more of a running team with Tice running the offense rather than Martz but when you have Cutler, you are going to throw the ball moreso than if you didn't have Cutler. Further, you are smart enough to know that winning is a great deodorant. If the Bears went against their history and pursued and big time FA like TO or OchoCinco and they won. You, along with the rest of the Bear fans, would embrace those prima donnas with the same passion the Bear fan has for Urlacher.
Originally Posted by
Jimmors And how many times have the Redskins tasted playoff victory during that time period? Thought so.
Great point if we're comparing playoff success. We are not however. What we are comparing is how different teams are passive while others are aggressive. And since you want to be smarmy... Do you think that Snyder would've "stood pat" and been satisfied with "we're close" after reaching a Super Bowl?? Thought so.
Originally Posted by
Jimmors No, we cant quantify what RGIII is worth, but what we CAN quantify is how much 3 First round picks are worth, and it basically sends the message: "this better work out or it is the biggest mistake in NFL history."
You want to use the Eli as an example of success, the flip side of that is the Saints and Ditka doing pretty much the same thing for Ricky Williams...and look how much that set their franchise back.
Honestly...i dont care about this, its the REdskins, its their problem, im just glad the Bears would not make an idiotic move such as this. More power to the 'Skins i guess, it better pay off since it will be awhile before they can draft in the first round again!!
Evidently, 3 first rounders are worth the potential of getting a franchise QB at the 2nd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. At the end of the day, if RG3 wins one Super Bowl and that is a HUGE longshot at this point in his career but if he did it... Is not drafting in the first round for a few years worth it? I would think so. Just like with Eli and the Giants. If you could've seen the future and seen what Eli would become in the NFL than the picks they gave up are of little consequence. We can't see the future so all we have to go on is potential and RG3 has the potential of being a superstar in the NFL. More potential anyway then Ryan Tannehill, Brock Oweiler, and Brandon Weeden according to the ratings that I've seen. Plus, from everything that I have read Luck and RG3 are the most NFL ready QBs that the NFL has seen a long while. Unfortunately, Jimmors, and I am not being sarcastic or facetious here, other franchises can't just wait until a top 10 QB falls into their laps. Other franchises have to pay and sometimes pay big to get a chance to cross their fingers and hope that they grab someone that lives up to that potential.
And I doubt this would qualify as the biggest mistake in NFL history. The Cowboy dynasty the Vikings helped build is bigger. As is drafting Tony Mandarich.
Let's compare apples to apples, partner. A franchise RB is GREAT in this league but a franchise QB is a NECESSITY! Besides, aren't those the same aggressive Saints that went after Drew Brees and won a Super Bowl recently? Yeah. It is QB play that drives this league now. As GREAT as Adrian Peterson is, he is not winning the Vikings a Super Bowl on his own. I don't begrudge any team that mortgages its future for what they feel is a sure thing. I applaud the effort. Like I said, I am happier when my favorite teams are unafraid to make mistakes and get egg on their faces in the pursuit of improvement! After all, I am a HUGE Laker fan. There were dozens of media members and thousands of armchair analysts that said that trading Shaquille and keeping Kobe was a stupid idea. I was concerned when it happened but I think it turned out ok.
And you do care about this. Why else would you have written so much about it? 
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Originally Posted by
The Benjamin Draft a kicker, an injured OL and a WR with a broken leg.
I am pretty sure he would draft a couple of safetys that would have fallen to the 3rd or 4th round.
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It isn't just for a QB. But other positions. As true they do need a QB. But also they need a WR as well. RG3 is someone the Skins are going after it seems.
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FWIW, the Redskins seemed to have made a pretty good deal to get RG3. The price was high but holy cow is that kid an exciting player. He will put butts in the seats and eyeballs on the television. At the very least he will make Snyder a truckload of money. Heck, the Redskins very well could be the class of the NFC East now too. Keep in mind, they lost to the Seahawks in the first round after RG3 played too deep in that game to be effective. More importantly, the Redskins' two franchise pass rushers only played a fraction of a season in 2012 as Orakpo and Carriker went down early to injury.
If Shanahan can keep RG3 healthy, the deal the Redskins made with the Rams will ultimately be worth it.
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Originally Posted by
purplejokr bump
FWIW, the Redskins seemed to have made a pretty good deal to get RG3. The price was high but holy cow is that kid an exciting player. He will put butts in the seats and eyeballs on the television. At the very least he will make Snyder a truckload of money. Heck, the Redskins very well could be the class of the NFC East now too. Keep in mind, they lost to the Seahawks in the first round after RG3 played too deep in that game to be effective. More importantly, the Redskins' two franchise pass rushers only played a fraction of a season in 2012 as Orakpo and Carriker went down early to injury.
If Shanahan can keep RG3 healthy, the deal the Redskins made with the Rams will ultimately be worth it.
Guys...guys listen...lets, listen...i got the best idea, guys. Best idea ever...lets trade all our future 1st round picks for a franchise QB, let him get us into the playoffs, and then we will protect him by making him play while injured, thereby causing a more serious injury. Im such a genius.
I'm trying//to let go//of maybe//but maybe's just so//very interesting//Oh, what a thing.
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