Whats really sad is that people only seem to take things like CTE seriously when the most tragic circumstances happen: suicides like this and Duerson's. How many ex-NFL players are suffering from symptoms and are having troubling retirements, but we dont notice/care because nothing as tragic as this has happened to them yet?
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That's what the current lawsuit is about, and why Ditka has his fund raiser for former players.
Half of them are linebackers.
Originally Posted by Riczaj01
I don't feel sorry for any person that kills themself. We all have our issues yet I would never put my family in a position to deal my problems if I ended my life. I don't believe that head injuries the players have sustained over the years are the main cause of players ending their life. I think there are a lot of factors that lead to these suicides like feeling worthless now because someone younger has taken your place in football or missing out of the adrenelin rush of playing a physical sport. Perhaps debt and not having that huge pay check is a reason they end their life or they are struggling in life with getting a job.
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Then you are sadly misinformed on this topic. This is NOT a case of "well, hes just depressed and decided to kill himself." No...CTE effects the BRAIN, makes a person act "out of character" (which family and friends confirm after these incidents, like junior's are now). The injuries damage the brain to the point where their behavior goes far beyond simple "depression" or "melancholy" and they act wildly out of character.
Originally Posted by 4th and 26
Its not about simply struggling 4th, its about changes in the brain due to injury that causes them to act in a wildly erratic way most of us cant really comprehend.
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I think what you may fail to realize, and it certainly seems so (no offense), is that a lot of suicides are NOT in their right-mind. I'm not calling them crazy (and I assume some actually ARE, but...), but quite a few of them simply can't control their thoughts. It might be "mental illness", such a bi-polar, etc... or it could be something not necessarily an "illness" per se, but still quite able to screw with your mind (injury like Jrs., etc.). The WORST think you can do is to think that your experience has any bearing or validity on THEIR thought process. Most of this shit is result of some chemical in the brain (seratonin, etc..) and the lack of production of that can easily be attributed to injuries and other factors.
Originally Posted by 4th and 26
That "feeling worthless" may be an effect of depression, and trust me - there is nothing "simple" about depression,.. it is impossible for people suffering from depression to control their thoughts once they start in on that downward emotional spiral and the seemingly smallest and petty shit can be the spark for an entire inferno of negative thinking. Thinking of family, debt, employment, etc. may certainly set it off, but to these people, there mind is all swirled up in thoughts they can't control. They stub their toe, which leads them to think that they are worthless ("Damn, I can't even walk right!") even jokingly, which gets them to thinking (2 days later when they remember the toe!) of all the negative shit that happened in their life, then they start analyzing that negative shit to find out why it happened, which causes them to think about what they did to cause it, and before you know it... they were the 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll and wouldn't life be much better for everyone else, ESPECIALLY loved ones, if they weren't around to fuck it up?
Yea.. it's stupid. But to them it makes PERFECT SENSE and nothing you try to tell them is going to convince them for anything more than a couple minutes that it doesn't.
Here's my PSA to married men (the rest of you gonna have to deal with this crazy shit best you can). About the same time your wife tells you she has had her last period, and trust me... she'll let you know when it happens, you need to take 30 minutes or so to research "menopause" and it's side effects. Because once that old bugaboo starts stomping the shit out of her hormones, it moves directly to her emotions and there is a very good percentage that one (or more!) of her menopausal side-effects is gonna be depression, anxiety, maybe vertigo, etc...
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the "crazy" part of it is due to the fact that their brain has suffered an injury, and hence their emotions, feelings and even their own thought process is skewed.
Originally Posted by loki520
Suicide is done for a wide range of reasons, and yes some of them are due to struggling and the environment. Take the recession...a bad economy typically coincides with an increase in suicide rates, especially among middle aged men and women. This is in stark contrast to lower rates in that age group when the economy is doing fine. So in that sense, struggling with money issues is an environmental factor that can lead to suicide...people are pushed to the point where they see no way out, so they decide the only option left is suicide. Sure, physiological factors can play a factor in this, but the fact these rates spike around times of a bad economy is indicative of struggling with finances to be a factor in these stats.
Compare this with the overal high rate of suicide among teenagers compared to other age groups..this is an example of hormones, and inability to deal with factors like stress and other factors. This is shows how the chemical processes of the brain can lead to higher rate of suicide, and why drug therapy can help, since it seeks to stabilize this chemical imbalance.
Its impossible to say WHY Junior did it without an autopsy on the Brain to detect signs of CTE. Maybe it simply was a case of normal depression combined with other factors such as struggling with finances, stress, his previous arrest and who knows what else he was dealing with. But if it IS a case of him having brain damage from concussions while in the NFL, and his brain shows signs of CTE, then his actions follow a pattern of other tragic incidents like this from former NFL players.
the others that have died:
Originally Posted by matsellah
Junior Seau eighth player to die from 1994 Chargers team
- Defensive end Chris Mimsdied due to an enlarged heart on Oct. 15, 2008, in his Los Angeles apartment. He was battling significant weight and financial problems at the time. He was 38.
- Linebacker David Griggs died June 19, 1995 in auto accidentin Fort Lauderdale, Fla. He was 28.
- Running back Rodney Culver, 26, and his wife, Karen, died May 11, 1996, when a ValuJet flight crashed in the Florida Everglades, killing all 110 aboard.
- Linebacker Lewis Bush died Dec. 8, 2011, in Tucson of cardiac arrest. He was 42.
- Center Curtis Whitley was found dead due to an apparent drug overdose on May 11, 2008, in Fort Stockton, Texas. He was 39.
- Defensive tackle Shawn Lee died Feb. 26, 2011, in Raleigh, N.C., of cardiac arrest brought on by double pneumonia. He was 44.
- Linebacker Doug Miller was killed by lightning strikes July 21, 1998, in Dotsero, Colo. He was 28.
Another one... just sad, really. R.I.P.
Yeah, and the other half are Safeties. The NFL careers of Safeties are getting shorter than that of RB's.
Originally Posted by matsellah
I'm just incredibly sad to hear this. Seau touched a lot of peoples lives in a very positive way and to hear he took his own life at age 43, wow.
Major depressive illnesses are just so seriously underestimated as far as the damage they can cause. It's a frightening thing when a person sees no hope for a life that will get any better. Just worse.
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