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Riczaj01 
its racist though, ie the irish like to fight, ie they are violent, ie not rational. Remember the Irish were predjucized at one time also, along w/Catholics, Chinese, Africans and Indians.
I'm tired of the pc bs, most of these names were taken b/c of the well known fighting prowess, or fear they instilled, b/c of their abilities, they were/are compliments. Everyone, minorities included need to stop being so sensitive.
Being Irish myself, I have no issue with the ND Fighting Irish. Now if they used a derogatory term for Irish people, then that is a different story. Calling Indians redskins is fairly offensive. BUT not as offensive as the Cleveland Indians mascot. That is just racist to a new level
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 its racist though, ie the irish like to fight, ie they are violent, ie not rational. Remember the Irish were predjucized at one time also, along w/Catholics, Chinese, Africans and Indians.
I'm tired of the pc bs, most of these names were taken b/c of the well known fighting prowess, or fear they instilled, b/c of their abilities, they were/are compliments. Everyone, minorities included need to stop being so sensitive.
Youre half right, yes the names were chosen because of the fighting prowess, etc. However, "Redskins" is about as offensive a term as you can get.
Compare that with "Fighting Illini" which was chosen for similar reasons (plus being the namesake of the state), but this describes an ACTUAL tribe, not a derogatory term for Native Americans in general. Similar, but completely different.
There is nothing wrong with being PC when it comes to terms used that are offensive to certain groups, which "Redskin" definitely is.
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The Benjamin Irish is a nationality, not a nickname though.
And what about the Boston Celtics? Kansas City Chiefs? Atlanta Braves?
Or the New Zealand national rugby team called "All Blacks"? Is that racist?
Last edited by little bear; 01-09-2013 at 05:18 PM.
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Originally Posted by
little bear And what about the Boston Celtics? Kansas City Chiefs? Atlanta Braves?
Or the New Zealand national rugby team called "All Blacks"? Is that racist?
the last one..... yes. The others, no. Nothing compared to the Redskins
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Originally Posted by
Jimmors Youre half right, yes the names were chosen because of the fighting prowess, etc. However, "Redskins" is about as offensive a term as you can get.
Compare that with "Fighting Illini" which was chosen for similar reasons (plus being the namesake of the state), but this describes an ACTUAL tribe, not a derogatory term for Native Americans in general. Similar, but completely different.
There is nothing wrong with being PC when it comes to terms used that are offensive to certain groups, which "Redskin" definitely is.
And when the Indians, as a nation, not some subgroup of 7 people, actually get pissed about it I'll believe you. But when the nation doesn't give a shit, then I see no reason for me too.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 And when the Indians, as a nation, not some subgroup of 7 people, actually get pissed about it I'll believe you. But when the nation doesn't give a shit, then I see no reason for me too.
They probably have lodged complaints, but the name change will never take place as long as the owner wants to keep the name as is.
The fighting Illini were forced to get rid of their Indian mascot because an Indian tribe found it offensive.
The difference between the two, the U of I is a public institute while the Redskins are privately owned.
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The Sup court is deciding if they will hear the case this year. If they hear it they will get to decide if the 'Skins will be able to keep their trademark. you can find it online.
7 Indians have voiced displure for an entire nation, and not one(that I could find) tribe has stated an issue, I only found the 1 article though, the wiki history of the derogetory names for sports teams, didn't mention any tribes making a complaint about the 'skins either.
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Riczaj01 The Sup court is deciding if they will hear the case this year. If they hear it they will get to decide if the 'Skins will be able to keep their trademark. you can find it online.
7 Indians have voiced displure for an entire nation, and not one(that I could find) tribe has stated an issue, I only found the 1 article though, the wiki history of the derogetory names for sports teams, didn't mention any tribes making a complaint about the 'skins either.
Doesnt matter if its 7 people, 7,000 or 1 person. There is no excuse to be offensive or racist
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