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  1. lklrlolnlilklsox

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    Jimmy Howard, at roughly the same age has three seasons with a save % of > .920 as a starter. Crawford has one and got $700k more.

    Carey Price is a 26 year old with a longer and better track record than Corey and a lot worse team.

    Let me say this again, this isn't a discussion where parody is a valid argument. Just because other goalies are getting huge terrible deals that have stopped them from improving their teams and retaining their own talent, doesn't mean we should jump right into the same pool. Teams have always been paying goalies a lot of money, it just so happens one of those teams hasn't won a Cup. It has always been, and always will be about the 18 skaters in front of the goalie and their affect on him. Crawford's D took a huge step back in 11-12, and so did he, his D (including backchecking forwards) took a tremendous step forward this season and so did he. It's good to have a goalie that can play up to the level of talent in front of him, he's also shown he can play down to their level, and it's not great to limit possibilities to keep those 18 in front of him by spending huge cash on him. Especially, before he has truly proven himself a consistent NHL goalie.

    You don't have to let him walk. If he steps up and proves himself again, you pay the same terrible open market price you just paid him for a contract starting when he turns 30. Much like Niemi, Raanta is only unproven in NA, and there's Mac and Kent getting to the age where they are ready to start getting time. Those aren't your only options, either, there's more than a few goalies in the league who could hold their own behind this team and even more willing to put themselves in that situation to earn big open market bucks.
     
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    4th and 26 George Halas
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    Howard's career save percentage is .918
    Crawford's career save percentage is .913

    Howard's career goals allowed average is 2.36
    Crawford's career goals allowed average is 2.24
     
  3. lklrlolnlilklsox

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    Sweet, I can bring up numbers, too. Like the 82 more games (an entire season, coincidentally) Howard has played than Corey.

    Howard's career as a starter by year.

    924
    908
    920
    923

    Crawford's
    917
    903
    926

    Howard's games played over the last three years= 162 (not including the games he played as the US National team's starter at the '12 WCs)

    Corey's=144

    Also, Howard doesn't have the problem with gloveside softies or rebound control/recovery that have scared fans with Crawford.

    Also, if you knew anything about hockey, you'd know GAA is a terrible stat to judge a goalie by.
     
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    4th and 26 George Halas
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    Well I know enough that the save percentage you keep bring up is nearly the same. Only a .005% difference between the two. I also know that Crawford beat Howard head to head in the playoffs this year and actually won a championship as a starting goaltender. I also realize that Crawford does give up soft goals and on the other had he makes incredible saves and bails out his team a lot when they play shitty
     
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    It's about consistency, Howard has proven to have it over AN ENTIRE SEASON'S WORTH OF GAMES more than Corey. Howard also face 1,800+ shots in two of those seasons, Corey's high is 1,545.

    I didn't realize goalies took shots on each other while the other 36 players watched. Through it all, Howard allowed one more goal despite facing 39 more shots than Corey, he damn near stole that series form under us despite the fact that our roster was superior up-and-down.

    Let me just say this one last time while I leave you to pretend hockey is your forte. Just because other goalies are getting paid terribly and limiting their team's roster moves, doesn't mean we have to join the party. It's a terrible contract however you look at it.
     
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    4th and 26 George Halas
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    You know Lsox you and I will not agree on this one but I think Crawford earned his contract. He may not be as consistent as other goaltenders but winning the cup is what got him his deal. I don't think Howard or Rask are much better than Crawford yet at times they do play better than him. I think Rask has a better defense in front of him and Howard has had elite defensemen in front of him for most of his career. I still give Crawford a lot of credit for his play this year in the playoffs, without him we would not have won the cup. He was the MVP of the playoffs, not Kane.
     
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    Granted Crawford likely gets a bit of a pay bump due to his Stanley Cup win, and granted he deserves it. But he is not the calibre of Howard or Rask at this point, at least as mentioned he hasn't shown the consistency yet to be mentioned in those names. Howard actually had very pedestrian defense in front of him this year with Lidstrom gone, and his numbers actually got better this year. Rask is just a stud who is in a different league then the other team at this point. He does have a good defensive team in front of him, but he bails them out alot as well and makes them look better then they actually are.

    At this point, I would rank Crawford somewhere in the middle of the league as a goalie. Just out of the top ten, but working his way up the ranks each year for sure. I would certainly take him on my team.
     
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    The Benjamin George Halas
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    Fake. Impressive though.
     
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    The Benjamin George Halas
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    actually, the only fake part was breaking the camera
     

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