50 Bears rookies arrived at Halas Hall today!

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  1. Bearsinhouston

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    S is my biggest concern right now. I really like the DL depth.
     
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    I'd say that the Packers had more depth behind the injured players to mitigate the impact of the injuries. I'd also argue that the injuries they suffered, while incredible, weren't to the same amount of key players as the Bears injuries. The DL remained intact for all intents and purposes and that's where it all starts. You lose your DL and the OL gets push in the run game and you see what happened to us last year, it allows OL to get to the LB's and all of a sudden the RB's are 4-6 yards down the field without being touched.

    They also retained Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk, and Bishop the whole season, two of their best missing minimal games and the replacement being much better than our rookie replacements. Barnett was a big loss but not only was Lach-Williams a downgrade in at least leadership.. we then lost DJ. If you call Barnett/DJ a wash then Briggs and Anderson missing substantial time was much worse for our team than theirs. They kept their best LB and Zombo/Bishop were admirable in replacing Barnett. Their top three corners, Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields were there all season with only Shields missing two games. We lost Tillman all year but they had Woodson all year, completely different. Plus our best NB (their Shields we'll say) was gone when we lost Hayden all year. That makes it harder to withstand the loss of our #1 corner. They did lose their starting SS but I think corners and DL are more important and the person who replaced him performed much better than our replacements did.

    As BS said, they had the depth. I'm not taking anything away from them, what they did was awesome. But I don't think they were as bad off as we were after our injuries. They had enough players under their starters to help keep the ship afloat and allow the arguably best QB in the NFL to lead their offense.. two things we were not afforded last year. I don't think you can compare the two. The Packers kept their top 3-4 or more defenders. We lost ours.
     
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    How can you get someones tone from a written post? I never once wrote something with sting on it, maybe I should add lol to all my posts so people know I'm not mad. Obviously your claim about not caring less isn't true, I couldn't care less and nothing you could say on here could ever rile me enough to not like you. It's the internet, bud.

    I think the play calling getting mixed up you can attribute to two things. We lost Urlacher. We've been very spoiled in seeing what a defense looks like when it's been together for years and you have a guy leading that defense who knows the system in and out and gets everyone in place all the time. That was our first season without him and people who didn't have playcalling experience were thrown in and of course there's going to be a dip in the communication. There was an article were Briggs was saying that he never knew how difficult it was and it was hard as hell to be "that guy" with Lach gone. Then Briggs and DJ go down so this job that an old vet like Briggs is struggling with is handed off to a rookie who wasn't even due to see game time.

    I think Peppers was being a whiny ass baby because he missed Lovie dovie time and this was not that. He wasn't happy with the regime change and decided to take plays off. Once the injuries started it's kind of hard to know who's slacking but Peppers was gaffin from Week 1. I don't rightly know if there's anything Tucker could have done to get Peppers going. I really just think he was mad Lovie was gone and wasn't going to put this team on his back like you'd hope.

    No pass rush? I think people forget that before Peppers was in his dominating form we had zero pass rush. This team had no consistent pass rush after Tommie Harris until Peppers came and with Peppers gaffing the pass rush is going to suffer. Then you add the mounting injuries and there's no way we can muster a pass rush. I could very well be wrong but I think our Run D was okay pre-injury. Not great, but definitely not what it turned into. But you've got the top three depth chart DT's injured, your apparent 3rd DT retired.. so you slide over a DE to play DT and you've got someone who can't aid the rush-D playing the other DE spot across from Peppers who obviously is taking the year off. I think that shows why the pass rush was awful, and with those injuries to the DL it's not wonder our rush-D was awful as well. If the DL isn't doing their job the LB's job because extremely difficult, which explains why LB play suffered so much. I don't think Urlacher in his prime could have shined behind that awful DL we were sporting past week 4/5.

    I thought Jennings was playing his ass off this past year.. and yeah.. there was a lack of fire.. but noticed what happened? We've got new faces at every level of the defense. Shea is being put into a position to succeed and our rookie LB's now have some experience under their belt. It sucks that the game time came at the expense of the defense but they've definitely learned a thing or two from that and if our LB coach is worth his salt then I think at least Bostic can turn into something worthwhile.. hopefully Greene as well.

    Emery has created competition at every level to ensure that everyone will be playing their asses off. We have an entirely different DL from week 1 last year. Ratliff got so little playing time that you could almost consider him a new addition and Stephen Paea was doing great before injury, if he can stay healthy he's like an entirely new piece as well.. same with Collins. Other than them, it's all new faces. The LB's are healthy and we're putting a lot in hoping Shea can be starter quality, but the talents there and I think DJ, Briggs, and Shea could be good enough behind this re-tooled DL to give us solid play from our LB's. Wright is gone and Conte is not guaranteed a job.

    Tucker is not guaranteed a job the year after this, but I will not hold last year against him. I don't think any DC in the NFL could have worked with what we had and I think Emery understands that. Just like Jay struggling mightily before we added WR's who could catch and an OL could block.. Emery knows that one guy cannot do it alone. Jay couldn't and Tucker can't. Tucker now has the tools and I realize he may not be the DC we want, but I also realize last year is no indication of what he brings to the table. If the offense suffered the same injuries (3 interior OL, top WR, and maybe RB/TE) then I think our offense would fall off as well. Can you imagine the pressure defense would get if Slausen, Long, and Garza all got hurt? Cutler would be getting murdered again, just like our LB's were getting mauled by OL. Teams need talent in the depth behind them to withstand injury storms like that, and we didn't have it.
     
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    They lost half their starters
     
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    The starters they lost weren't as good as the starters we lost.
     
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    Says a biased fan.

    Losing a starter is damning no matter who it is because they have a less qualified player coming on to replace them.

    Think of it. If that player was not a good as the one the Bears lost, then that back up must really suck
     
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    Or the fall-off from starter to back-up isn't as massive as it was on the Bears team. We had special team players under our starters for the majority of the Angelo years. It's well documented that the Packers draft pretty well and Thompson does a good job at having depth.

    They kept Matthews and AJ Hawk, their best and second or third best LB. We lost DJ (best/second best) all year. Briggs and Anderson lost substantial gametime. They kept all three starting corners.. we lost two of our top three. The lost their starting RDE. We lost 3 DT's. Peppers quit. Wootton had to play out of a place. And a guy who's now playing LB was playing the other DE spot.

    I think even an unbiased fan could look at that and say that their injuries weren't to the same key players as ours were. Our entire defense is built around pass rush with the front 4, that's where our injuries happened. What the Packers did was impressive. Our injuries were worse.

    Losing a starter is damning, but you can't call all starters equal. Losing Wright the same as losing Tillman? Losing McClellin (who was hurt for a stretch) hurts more than losing Melton or Collins? No. There's a reason some players have bigger contracts and that's because some positions are more important and some players are better than others. Injuries are damning, and Tucker was condemned to a horrible season on defense once the injuries started happening and there's nothing he or any other DC could have done to turn the tide. Scheme changes only go so far, and he was restricted to someone elses.

    Once again, not saying he's not at fault.. but I'm saying I won't judge him based on last year. Last year is no indication of what this defense can do or was capable of. It's a wash.
     
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    Ok. Lets look at this way. A defense loses is three best players.... The other loses 6-8 starters.

    Which defense is in worse trouble?
     
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    Would be a viable comparison if we only lost three of our best players. It was out of position players, aging players, sticking to a scheme we didn't have personnel for, and injuries to every level of the defense. It was a culmination of different things. A series of unfortunate events, starring the Bears defense.

    It's not as simple as we had this many they had that many. Tucker had to keep Lovie's scheme. We lost people all year. We lost people for long stretches. We lost so many players that other players play suffered due to playing out of position. We lost some players due to them not trying. We didn't just lose our top 3 guys, we lost so much more than that.

    I would say the team that lost 6-8 starters but Green Bay didn't lose 6-8 starters just as we didn't lost only three players. They lost 3-4 starters and then started losing the guys that replaced those starters. Same top 3 CB's. Three quarters of their defensive line was in tact and 2 of their top 3 LB's were there. We didn't have that luxury.
     
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    Yeah, was a trick question of sorts cause both fit the Bears. Bottom line though both teams had big losses on defense.

    I will never accept anyone using injuries or refs as an excuse because good teams overcome such things
     
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