Adrian MacPherson.

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    The long-time understudy to Anthony Calvillo in Montreal should be in your camp next year. The talk up here was trestman was going to bring him in but he left the CFL for arena league and just burned it up, but was hurt, but is OK now. With ottawa coming into the CFL next year, there is speculation he might try for it, but if the NFL calls....
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    Andy should have waited till this year, he would have been look at more then he was. LOL But he is still puting up highlite catches. I doubt he will try again.
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    Fantuz is a perfect example of why I think some NFL management is utterly clueless when it comes to judging CFL talent. Fantuz was not, is not and never will be an NFL style receiver. He lacks the explosiveness to be a WR and the size to be a TE. He is however, perfectly suited to the wide field and the waggle of the CFL He has great hands, runs great routes and uses his smarts, decent top speed and endurance to get open. He is a very talented receiver, just not an NFL receiver. Fantuz was stupid to turn down a 120K CFL contract to accept a lunch money deal from the Bears. The Bears were stupid to sign him and then even more clueless by failing to at least put him in one preseason game to see if he might surprise everyone and show something.

    Some other examples of utter cluelessness: Stevie Baggs being cut by the Tiger-cats and picked up by the Ravens, some lineman in Edmonton picked up by an NFL team who was so obscure his mother probably needed his photo ID to recognize him, Arceneaux being picked up by the Vikes when he was third or fourth on the Lions WR depth chart, etc. etc. etc.

    CFL management knows that an NFL refugee will need more than just training camp to learn the CFL game. Depending on the position it'll take anywhere from a couple of games to more than a full season before they are up to speed on the CFL game. On the other hand, many NFL teams make no allowances for the adjustments a CFL player must make when going south and expect them to perform from the get go. It's no surprise that they seldom do. Sometimes an NFL team will show patience, like Miami did with Wake and Seattle did with Browner, but most often if a big impression isn't made in the first week or so of training camp the guy is toast.

    Some CFL players get this and discourage NFL interest or even turn down contract offers if they don't come with a substantial signing bonus. No bonus and you're just training camp fodder earning lunch money.
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    You can always count on Canadians to inject pure nonsense to any thread.
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    Sorry for stepping on your toes Mr D. I forgot that this was your role on this board. I promise to leave the nonsense to you from now on.
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    LOL What does A MacPherson have to do with the Bears? I mean seriously. He couldn't make it in the NFL and this is some how a thread worthy topic?
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    I learned a long time ago not to waste my time trying to inform someone such as yourself. If you can't figure out the connection, that's not my problem.

    Have a good evening
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    Yet you waste more time by even responding...

    There is no connection other than a Canadian making the dunghill pile taller..
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    He was denied getting to the NFL because of some trouble he gotton into. And smart football people look at everybody, no matter where they came from. Remember warner, packing groceries. These are 2 very different leagues and many of NFL'er came here expecting to dominate and were sent home packing with thier tails between thier legs. But If Mr D is so up set about this then have it removed.
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    Yeah. But Warner caught the scouts eye when he was packing groceries from six aisles over by pitching them into the bags until they were full. :)
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    So that's what happened to my eggs . . .
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    MacPherson is not in the NFL, so he stinks. Got it. Warner was found packing groceries, but he became a good QB. Is there any other player who is doing well who was not playing football before he was signed? Does the name Robbie Gould sound familiar? He was working construction when we found him. He's doing okay, isn't he? There's this thing called arena football. The Lions signed a guy named Mike Furrey from that league. He did all right in his NFL career.

    Just what difference is there if he's playing football in a different league? It's still football and the guy is still an athlete. I give credit to Emery for thinking outside the box. At least he isn't continually displaying an incessantly negative, demeaning attitude.
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    Since McPherson is now 30, his chances are poor, despite having spent five years in Montreal with Trestman. However, a McPherson-like QB could be a useful addition. McPherson is a big dude who has a decent arm coupled with great mobility and is always a threat to run. When he does run, he's more often the hammer than the nail. Probably not the best qualifications for a starter, but as a perennial backup?

    There's a trend these days in the CFL to expand the role of backup QBs so they do more than just QB sneaks with a yard to go. They have a package of plays designed for them which gets them into pretty well every game.

    The approach has numerous benefits:

    * trains the backup in meaningful, real game situations so he can take over seamlessly if the starter goes down,
    * since everyone is used to the backup making regular appearances, he can be put in for a struggling starter without publicly bruising egos
    * the starter has the opportunity to watch the D operate from the sidelines, collect his wits, and often returns performing more effectively
    * in design QB running plays, the backup QB absorbs the punishment, not the starter
    * having such a perennial backup can extend the life of a high mileage starter (e.g. Calvillo)
    * the backup, having started his career tagged as "not starter material" could develop into a better QB and become the starter simply because of the reps and coaching he would receive
    * if the two QBs have very different styles, it can make the D's life miserable as they have to adjust back and forth, going from defending a pocket passer to a scrambler for example

    The downside of course, is that the backup isn't as skilled as the starter so when he's in, production may suffer, however this can be mitigated if he has the right package of plays to work to his strengths.

    Using the Detroit game as example, when Cutler started to go downhill put the scrambling backup in with the orders to "go through two reads, and if no one is open after three seconds, run like hell." Run this in a high tempo offence and after a series or two of the D chasing this guy all over the field, put Cutler back in to face a more fatigued, subdued Suh and company. During that time he would have the opportunity to find where he misplaced his wits.

    Since Trestman stays in contact with his CFL friends, I'd expect him to be conversant with these developments. If the Bears can find a suitable backup QB, it's a possibility that Trestman may try this.
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    yes another 30 year old never was, that is exactly what the Bears need as their backup/developmental guy....sigh.

    nothing against the Canadian football league, but how many qb's in the last 30 years have come through the NFL and made it that didn't come from the CFL, countless? now how many have, 3, 4? It's not exactly a ripe picking ground for NFL teams looking for a qb.
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    QB's were usually shorter in the CFL , but now shorter QB's are showing up in the NFL. Flutie would be a starter today if he was starting out. He would have a SB ring right now if buffalo's management did not screw that up. But right now the CFL has never has such a great crop of young back-ups, at one point it was hard to find 8 good starters. Things are changing up here and now with a new TV deal with alot more money it will even get better.
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    outside of Brees, Vick(6 foot), Russell Wilson is the only qb under 6 foot(5'11"). Most are 6'4" or taller, and it's getting more towards 6'5' on an average, NFL qb's are not getting smaller.
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    There is 2, probably more then before and this is something that people are just starting to see.
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    Really? 2 out of 32, and no there is not more, I looked at all 32 starters. And really of the 3 I mentioned those are old guard, both in 2001. The trend is going away from small QB's, hell RGIII is 6'2" and is a runner, Keap is 6'4 or taller he is a mobile running qb, Cam newton is 6'5 and is a runner. So of the "small" running Qb's are even getting bigger. Only Rus Will is under 6'0" of the young running qb's.

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