All right, cut the god ***** bull****, seriously.

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  1. Henry Burris

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    I know everyone's upset that Jay is injured, and hasn't been playing lights out this year, but seriously, there's a LOT of opinions I read here, from friends and the media, that are just not well thought out. I'm not trying to troll this half of the board by giving my pointed opinions, but somebody's gotta say it:

    1. If you say Josh McCown should be the starter over a healthy Jay Cutler, you aren't winning any points for credibility.
    2. If you think McCown could/should be a starter for either this team, or anywhere else in the NFL, you don't come across as intelligent, seeing as McCown is 34, throws softballs(mark my words, he will have a multiple INT game) and....He's *********** 34 people, and he can't throw a ball half as hard or accurately as Jay Cutler. What kind of idiot coach would look at his performance this year and say "Oh wow, **** drafting a QB this year, this dude could be a starter for us!!"?
    3. If you think Jay needs to "move on" after this season, you're basically saying a GM as smart as Emery, and a HC as smart as Trestman are going to say "Well, the offense looked pretty good this year, our wide receivers are the best combination in the league, but, I think going with an untested rookie/career backup would increase our chances of winning over what Jay could do for us", then may god have mercy on your poor, confused soul.
    4. You think after that, given how bad the D is this year, as a result of age and injuries, that bringing in another QB to take the job away from Cutler is going to somehow fix ANYTHING, you're sooooooooooooooooooooo wrong.
    5. You think that "we can save money" by letting Cutler walk away, to allow more spending on defense, you're missing the fact that many of our free agents aren't going to be nearly as expensive as they would be normally, AND that there won't be enough FA's to sign to the defense to offset the loss the offense would feel. That just doesn't make any sense.
    6. Even if we spent a high draft pick on a QB, so what? RGIII, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, and Colin Kaepernick are just a few of the recent high draft pick QB's that just aren't doing well this year. What that means is, Cutler > young QB. I think it would be great to bring in a rookie to compete for the job with Jay, but, just because so many rookie QB's have good seasons of late doesn't mean that they can turn their offenses elite. In fact, going with what I've said earlier, this would probably cost some people their jobs to immediately change an offense so quickly, and try to duplicate the point total from this year, because it ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ANYONE NOT NAMED JAY CUTLER. Not anytime soon, and Emery and Trestman need a few years of sustained improvement to even guarantee they have jobs in a few years. Why on earth, would you think turning it over to a 34 year old, or an untested rookie would benefit them in any way, next year?
     
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  2. WarLax

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    Post this......EVERYWHERE. Please, else I may just wind up doing this to my computer when I try to read Bears forums::3_8_14[1]:
     
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    Post of the week.
     
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    I agree...Cutler isn't going anywhere this offseason and McCown is a BACKUP ONLY (good one, but that's it).

    Any QB we draft (and we should) will be a developmental prospect not an "instant starter". We need high picks for DEFENSE so 3rd-4th round for QB is fine by me. No higher than 3rd unless Emery is absolutely convinced there's a "can't pass up" prospect there. In fact, there better be a damn good reason to draft anything other than DEFENSE-DEFENSE in 1 and 2. And that reason better be way way more persuasive than Shea 2.0

    The only question remaining for me in Cutler's last games is whether Emery will take the plunge on a multi-year contract or use the FT. I hope he goes the FT route and devotes 90% of the rest of his offseason attention to the defense. We can re-visit the Cutler issue in early 2015 after another season in the TCO under his belt to analyze.
     
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    1. I'm not sure how many people come to a forum that goes by dabears.com to win credibility points. You might be one. I am not.
    2. I don't think anybody sees McCown as a long term solution. I just don't see Jay Cutler as one either. Sue me. McCown has earned the starter role, not only because of his play and that we beat green bay in green bay and that had he been starting in the last game we would have won, but because he was prepared and ready for any situation he's been thrown into.
    3. Jay doesn't need to 'move on.' He just needs to understand that he isn't gonna get the big $ until he shows enough consistency and longevity to be the franchise quarterback. He will be 31 at the start of the next season. Time is running out. He was a total dumbass about playing last week and his performance or lack thereof pushed playoff hopes into a tight corner. Ask yourself this: Is Jay Cutler going to take the Bears to the playoffs this year? He's wearing a ******* cast on his ankle and tore his groin 4 weeks ago.
    4. As discussed here on multiple occasions-Cutler was not capable of keeping the defense off the field for more than two minutes at a time. Are some of those injuries the result of being on the field for three straight quarters for multiple games in a row?
    5. If we can't spend the money on defense then let's spend more on offense. Another lineman would be great. We could always use another tightend.
    6. Okay, you picked out four guys who are having poor to decent seasons(for a variety of reasons) and then you immediately went to Cutler>young qb. First off, when Jay Cutler has a bad season it's never his fault-it's the oline, it's the o coordinator, he doesn't have any receivers etc. etc. etc....but we'll get past that-I don't know why those guys are having bad seasons, I know Locker is garbage, I'm pretty sure RGIII just came back from a serious injury. Really, you think Cutler is better than Kaepernick? You think Cutler has more potential? Okay, have you ever heard of Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Alex Smith-because those are high draft picks that are killing it this year. What about Russell Wilson?

    In the end, turning it over to McCown didn't come down to any decision. The reality is Cutler is injured and CAN'T play. Sounds like a familiar story. So tell me again why Cutler should get all the snaps with the starting unit three weeks off a groin tear? Or why we shouldn't be investing time and money somewhere else so our season doesn't run down the tubes like it does every year?
     
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    McCown is better than Ponder, Gabbert, Matt Cassel, Brandon Weedon, Josh Freeman, but it is absurd to think that he could start in the NFL?

    I agree with 99% of what you have said.
     
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    I get that Cutler is stuck/was stuck in the damned if he does damned if he doesn't media bs. It sucks. But at the end of the day he's a young multimillionaire bangin a hot reality tv byatch. I won't feel sorry for him. I will be happy when a guy like McCown comes off the high school football staff and beats the Packers on Monday Night Football and I won't be ashamed of it. I love the underdog. I loved Kurt Warner. I love Tom Brady. Both awesome stories and awesome players. I'll buy into that shit way before I buy into the ol' gunslinger bs. Also, comparing Cutler to Favre was a slight to Brett Favre.
     
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    Going off your logic, we should....the Bears should...um........It sounds like you want lower quality players playing for the Bears. I mean, going by your standard of "underdog winning is better than a 1st round pick", then J'Marcus Webb having the amount of success he has had in the NFL is significantly better than Kyle Long's success so far.
     
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    So, you don't care that no one thinks you have credibility, yet here we are with a LONG counter argument to OP
    What you are saying is, because Josh McCown had a full week to practice, unlike Seneca Wallace, he's better than Cutler...."prepared and ready for any situation he's been thrown into", implying that Cutler doesn't prepare himself? If so, then...wow
    Dude, Peyton Manning suffered a similar ankle injury, and played JUST as bad as Jay did in HIS second half against the Chargers. So, Jay Cutler deserves blame for this team not going to the playoffs, because he is injured? Sweet, that means Aaron Rodgers sucks too, and Peyton Manning was responsible for the Colts going 2-14 a few years back.
    Surprisingly, I tepidly agree with you here.
    The reason why we won't be able to spend much money on defensive free agents is............................................SOME of these defensive players HAVE to come back, because building through Free Agency has been proven repeatedly to NOT work for championship teams, AND many of the players that WOULD help us more than those on our current roster will cost much, much more. While you'll find no disagreement on us needing another center to replace Garza in the near future, you're not going to find it via free agency. Also, Emery's NOT going to sign a top flight TE in free agency, so we'll either have to hope he finds a scrub that overplays next year, or draft one.

    Um, Alex Smith has been in the league longer than Cutler, so WHERE you're going with that, I don't know. I refuse to comment on you bringing up RGIII other than to say, in your first sentence, you're ripping Cutler for "excuses" that haven't been made this year at all, and then you follow that up with an excuse for RGIII's bad play; choose one or the other. Am I saying Cutler is better than Kaepernick? Well, should we compare stats? I think we should:


    63.0%
    1,908 yards passing
    13 TDs
    8 INTs
    88.4 rating

    56.4%
    1,675 yards passing
    9
    TD 6 INTs
    83.0 rating

    Take a guess as to which set of stats belong to whom.

    Now, I can tell you didn't understand what I said in my previous post, so I'll explain it VERY CLEARLY: people are clamoring for a high draft pick to replace Cutler. LOOKING AROUND THE LEAGUE AT YOUNG QB's(Andrew Luck doesn't count, because he's a once in a generation prospect), many of them aren't holding up very well in their second year starting. Hell, many of them weren't even good their first year, so, going by the standard of young quarterbacks as starters in this league, Jay Cutler is a better option than all of them. Also, Cam Newton has been in the league for 3 years now. He also had a pretty bad sophomore slump, so that's only helping my argument. That's not even to mention that he and Jay have VERY similar stats this season, even though Jay has played considerably less football than Newton. That you brought Matthew Stafford and Alex Smith into your argument belies your understanding of the point I was making in the OP

    1. Jay Cutler fought his ass off to take HALF of his healing time down, and STILL played better than Stafford for most of the game.
    2. Investing time and money, how?
     
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    I'll go back over these point by point with you and then I am done.
    1. We are interacting on a fan forum and both of us are using pseudonyms. Credibility? To who? To what? An avatar? Doesn't mean I can't come on here and root for the Bears however I damn well like.
    2. You made the implication Cutler isn't prepared. I merely said that McCown was not just collecting a paycheck as a backup and was ready to get in there and get the job done. As of right now he should be taken seriously because the reality is that the whole season is hanging on his shoulders. But while we're on the 'Jay Cutler not being prepared,' I'll stoke your anger some more: Jay Cutler was not prepared for last week. He rushed his recovery with semi experimental procedures and it showed.
    3. Comparing Jay Cutler to Peyton Manning is hilarious. Aaron Rodgers even better. Are you saying Cutler should have been playing last week? Because you might be the only one in the universe, oh wait, there's one more: Jay Cutler
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    5. Martellus Bennet is a top flight TE. Brandon Marshall is a top flight WR. We drafted those guys right? I agree with you that we need great homegrown talent but awesome players hit FA all the time,...and when we won't be tied up in peppers and cutler we'll be able to go after them.
    6. You are right, Alex Smith has been in the league longer than Cutler. You're missing Kaepernick's rushing stats but that's irrelevant because he doesn't have a groin tear. Maybe it's because he can actually run.
    So your point was that nobody except Jay Cutler could duplicate the point total next year. Is that why you love Jay so much?
    Some Cutler stats:
    TD: 149
    INT: 108
    FUM: 35
    rating: 88.4
    1:1 td to ratio. Who gives a flying @#$% about point totals
     
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