All right, cut the god ***** bull****, seriously.

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  1. JPosh2012

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    Excellent post Henry! While yes would I take a healthy McCown over a not 100% Cutler? Yes but do I want McCown starting when we have a 100% Cutler? HELL NO!
     
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    Hey we got swept by Deeetroit now that Green Bay is not the worst enemy and get over it.

    I dont what is going to happen and thats why I tune into this shit ... to find out whats going to happen next.

    Man If I had a baromometer in predicting BEARS games it would look like a seismic meter ... predicting earthquakes after they happened.

    I dont know what the fuck is going to happen ... this is the NFL ... they park 32 teams and ask you to guess.

    I hope ours turns out the best ... maybe sombody goes apeshit with Baltimore and really stands out .

    I dont know. I know what Id like ... but I dont know.
     
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    Nobody is anointing McCown as the next coming but in his limited time on the field there is no question that he has outperformed Jay this year. His saving grace is that he hasn't turned the ball over while Cutler has.

    I realize it is a limited body of work but the bigger question to me isn't Jay vs. McCown. It is investing long term in Cutler vs. pursuing other long-term options in this draft class, deep with QB talent. To answer that question you have to look into your crystal ball and determine if Jay has the ability to improve his decision making. I'm putting my "credibility" at stake and saying his chances of improving enough to change our SB odds are slim. He is what you see. You have a big enough body of work to know what you are getting. What he has shown isn't good enough to win us a Superbowl and with that... I'd gamble looking for someone who can.
     
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    Kevperro,

    This is like a 3 part play ... I want to see how its going to end.
     
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    Excellent post.
     
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    Kevperro, I agree that is as good a position as any. None of us know how Cutler will progress the rest of the year (or even how many more games he will play), who will be available, what any future QB injuries (or healing issues might be) etc.

    If we knew the answer to some of those questions, it would help narrow some options. We also don't know if Emery and Trestman have already made a decision based on what they have already seen. Anyone saying to either keep Cutler for sure or cut him for sure and everyone else is wrong is being short sighted. While there is a 50-50 chance that one is right, there is no way to know at this point what the right course of action is.

    Cutler has progressed. He still makes judgement errors. Which one of those does one project will continue and be the primary trend? And on what basis can one make those claims for sure? IMO, right now it's a fools bet. You can make a good argument either way. If I had to read the tea leaves I would say Cutler stays because the guys making the decisions seem high on him, but again, what else would they say at this point. Plus, he is a known commodity and Trestman does have a way of seasoning QB's. BUT, if whoever they have as THEIR #1 QB in the draft is still available, does that change the calculus? As I said before, just too many moving parts right now.

    I think Cutler stays, but I am not saying anyone who disagrees is wrong. I just don't get people that represent speculation or opinion as fact (it's not a fact until it happens) and further pronounce anyone that disagrees as wrong. There has not been too much of that on this board in the past, but I guess everything changes....
     
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  7. Henry Burris

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    1. You're still giving your opinion, no? You're defending your opinion, no? Obviously you WANT validation as much as anyone else does, for your opinion.
    2. BACKTRACK city. "Josh McCown has earned the starting job" to "He's not a bad backup, and can play well when called upon". You obviously STILL haven't grasped any opinion that runs contrary to your own, because: A) Jay was injured IN THE GAME, and it wasn't his groin injury B) "semi experimental procedures"? What are you basing that off of?
    3. The only other people in Jay Cutler and my universe? Professional Doctors who cleared him for the game. His groin is fine, he was injured during the Lions game, just as Peyton Manning was against the Chargers, and it showed for BOTH players. Peyton was lucky because ALL of his points were scored BEFORE his injury.
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    5. Now, this one I probably should've been more explicit about, because I clearly wasn't. Emery is a genius for getting the players he did, at the discounts he got. However, FA can't be relied upon for more than 1-2 game changers per offseason. Looking at many of the players that might be available this offseason, it just doesn't make sense to lose Cutler, just to try to fix the rest of the team. Just off of his 2 offseasons as GM, he seems to be more like the Saints, rather than the Packers, in how they view free agency (Saints lost their #1 WR, and replaced him with another, while the Packers replaced their center with a guy that should have retired a year previous), and that's a good thing. TL;DR Using FA to supplement the draft, vs using FA as a last resort or as the ONLY resort is the way to go(The Patriots, in the early part of the last decade, are the blueprint for FA success; in fact, you could easily compare Corey Dillon's arrival as their offenses' turnaround, to Brandon Marshall's, and they both were elite players that were traded at a low price)
    6. Again, you're missing the point. All of these rookie and second year players, regardless of whatever is ailing them, aren't any better than Cutler. I'm not going any further into your use of stats, because that will only sidetrack what we're talking about. You STILL don't understand that I was ONLY comparing Cutler to 1st and 2nd year players. The only 2nd year players that are playing lights out are Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson, Luck's talent being far superior to any first round QB in the past decade, and Wilson, who everybody passed on because he was short.

    To go further into the QB discussion: whatever you think about Jay Cutler, he IS our best chance to win next year, and, to think a rookie is going to do better, is playing against the odds.

    But, since you don't want Jay Cutler to be our QB going forward, let me ask you this: have you noticed that a LOT of mechanics have improved with Trestman? If not, I'll remind you that Cutler was ***** putrid under the long string of horrible offensive coordinators he's had(If you're going to say that is an excuse, then explain why Alex Smith has performed better when he finally got a head coach that knows offense, AND another HC that has been around the league for a while, and knows offense even better), with throwing off of his back foot and locking onto one receiver last year, but those "mechanical problems" are NOT a concern this year. The problem with his play this year, which has REALLY shown with McCown in, is that he's overly aggressive when moving the ball. I don't mean this in any argumentative way, but do you think that the progression from last year to this year is a sign that Trestman could focus on the few problems left in his game this offseason? No one here is advocating signing Cutler to the ridiculous contracts that Flacco or Romo got, but, as SWC pointed out a while back, you're NOT going to get any consistency when your HC finally got the QB back on the right track, just to replace him with someone else. The 49ers, I'm sure, regret the decision you're advocating the Bears make, but they had a QB they were grooming as his replacement, while the Bears don't have a backup that could keep this team competitive in the long haul.
     
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  8. Henry Burris

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    I agree with you, but people are forgetting that Cutler was actually at 100% to start against the Lions, as his ankle injury didn't occur until later in the game

    We don't HAVE to invest in Cutler long term, not yet. As I've said elsewhere, there are a LOT of teams that will be drafting for a QB, that pick ahead of us: TB, Minnesota, Arizona, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Tennessee, so our prospects for a first round QB aren't realistic.
     
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    You miss the point, HB. Its not that we dont want Jay back, its just that he hasnt earned that huge Flacco deal. Jay is getting older, and more injured with time. He's had like only one season with the Bears iirc where he played all 16 games.

    Which is why they will most likely FT him this off season. Let him earn that huge contract (or not) next season.
     
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  10. Henry Burris

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    You're picking a point to argue that I've never even made. I've repeatedly said to FT him, and draft a backup to fight him for the starter job. The people that this thread is directed towards are the ones who think this team will improve next year, without Cutler.
     
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