All right, cut the god ***** bull****, seriously.

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  1. jackiejokeman

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    At least we arent Minnie. They get Freeman and Tampa starts winning with Glennon.
    Hmmmmmm ...
     
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    Well now I am backtracking, because it will be my point from now on to lose credibility points from you Henry, and I will apparently never be done doing this. As long as the Bears keep winning I don't give a damn
    Backtrack?
    This was a troll post to begin with as quoted by you.
    I never said 'he's not a bad backup' so if you're going to misquote me or put words in my mouth get lost. He's a great 'backup' and I think he should be the starter until he starts putting up Cutler numbers.
    Also, on Cutler's "recovery." He did something known as prp...it's an injection of plasma into the wounded area. Look it up. It's experimental and under more scrutiny would probably be considered doping-not that I am totally against doping, but if I want to call it experimental I think I have the right to. Doctors do all sorts of !#$%ed up things. Brett Favre could tell you all about it. Cutler should not have been playing against the Lions. His groin was bothering him well before this high ankle sprain.

    We've actually said the same thing repeatedly. I just don't think Cutler should be starting. Sorry. Things have gone well without him so far. He's welcome to come back next year and compete for the starting job but the days of his papal appointment as our lord and savior are over.
     
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    I'm somewhere in between. I think a healthy Cutler should start. But I do not think he should have started against Detroit. Both Cutler, Trestman and the Dr's proclaimed him 100%, but I in no way buy it. What are they going to say, when they started him? The guy was holding onto his groin, not his ankle. His ankle IS hurt, but I also think his groin was hurt. He started out fine, but when you are "almost healed", you feel fine for a while but when you push it, you just can't and you aggravate the injury. I suspect that the ankle might have been partially caused by compensating or stumbling with the groin ache, but just my speculation. I would like to see Cutler start when 100%, but I just don't think he was and he screwed himself.
     
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    BiH is right IMO.
    Cutler shouldn't have played against the Lions. I don't care if he was "cleared". He wasn't READY. Re-aggravating a barely healed injury was a possibility that all of us here talked about so it surely was no mystery to Trestman. Bonehead decision #1. If you were gonna start him, then at least give your backup some practice reps and have a short hook ready. That didn't happen either. Cutler was hurt no later than the 2nd and the groin was PART of it. Yet, Trestman stuck with a player who couldn't go instead of a backup who's proven he could for way way too long. Bonehead decision #2.

    I won't go into MT's dumb play calls and 4th down follies. I'm a big fan but the HC cost us that game pure and simple. Jay (hurt by then) Cutler did his part with yet another of his patented deep-redzone-turnovers. That's a Jay "special treat".

    Next year? I franchise tag him, re-sign McCown, and draft a mid-rounder.
     
  5. Henry Burris

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    And here you are, responding, yet again.

    You: "McCown has earned the starter role, not only because of his play and that we beat green bay in green bay and that had he been starting in the last game we would have won, but because he was prepared and ready for any situation he's been thrown into."
    Me: What you are saying is, because Josh McCown had a full week to practice, unlike Seneca Wallace, he's better than Cutler...."prepared and ready for any situation he's been thrown into", implying that Cutler doesn't prepare himself? If so, then...wow
    You:"You made the implication Cutler isn't prepared."

    I'm sure you can see your response to mine, SHOWS you didn't understand what I was saying.

    http://stanfordhospital.org/clinicsmedServices/medicalServices/imaging/docs/PRP_Beaulieu Letter.pdf.

    Stanford's hospital's take on it

    While individual growth factors remain prohibited, the intramuscular injection of platelet-derived preparations (such as Platelet Rich Plasma or PRP, or ‘blood spinning’) has been removed from the List after consideration of the lack of any current evidence concerning the use of these methods for purposes of performance enhancement notwithstanding that these preparations contain growth factors.

    Platelet-rich plasma appears to trigger an increase in circulating growth factors through activating biological pathways rather than by serving as a vehicle for the direct delivery of presynthesized growth factors.


    So.....Stanford Hospital, the National Center for biotechnology information, and the World Anti-Doping Agency would disagree with you.

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    I'm done with this particular part of the argument, because, unless you have sources more reputable than Stanford, TNCFBI and the World Doping Agency (which would be nearly impossible) that contradict this, there's really nothing else to say


    Bears quarterback Jay Cutler left Sunday’s loss to the Lions before the team’s final drive because of an ankle injury, not an aggravation of the groin injury that kept him out of the lineup last week.

    Pro Bowl running back Matt Forte said that Cutler practiced without restrictions when he directed the offense during Thursday's 70-minute session inside the Walter Payton Center.

    "I saw him at practice today, and he was moving around the pocket well," Forte said. "He ran some sprint-out plays, so he can run. If he is feeling that way, he is the starting quarterback, so I think he should play if he's 100 percent."


    Trestman has confirmed that Cutler will not play in next Sunday's match against the Baltimore Ravens, but revealed that the 30-year-old was no longer suffering from the torn groin muscle he picked up earlier in the season.

    "I think you all know he's got a high ankle sprain. He got it rolled on. It was unrelated to the groin injury. It happened in the second quarter," Trestman told reporters.

    "They taped him up. There was no indication from the trainers there would be any further injury. I thought offensively he had one of his best games. I asked [the trainers] if the groin was an issue at all, [and they] didn't feel that there was.

    "They told me even today, if he hadn't rolled up the ankle, he would have been able to play today."



    You have two options here: Say that the Bears doctors, Matt Forte, the Bears strength and conditioning coach, the Bears various trainers and Marc Trestman all conspired on the ankle injury, so Trestman doesn't look like a fool for starting him too soon, and show us some kind of evidence, OR admit that you're wrong, and that they know more about coaching, and medically clearing players to play. There is no wiggle room here, it's clearly one or the other.

    And, not only does no one agree with you, but Trestman has let it be VERY known that if Cutler is healthy, he WILL start.

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    I don't 100% disagree w/you BiH, but when you watch how good Cutler was looking in the 1st qtr the groin wasn't bothering him. I think the groin did eventually start to bother him, and maybe even before the ankle, but the Ankle was what sealed the deal for Cutler's play in the 3rd and 4th, not the groin.
     
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    I have zero doubt that Cutler hurt his ankle ALSO and that was the last straw.
    I have no doubt that he was feeling fine in the 1st Q all around.
    But I am also sure that "tweaking" the groin injury factored into his overall decline from the late 2nd onward.

    On several plays after the play he sank to his knees or bent over grabbing them hurting. You don't do that when your ankle is killing you (you hobble instead). He was also caught on camera reaching for the inner thigh multiple times. His whole leg was jacked up. It wasn't purely the new ankle injury.

    We all knew it was an extra risk ("tweaking" a barely healed injury) in rushing him back so soon.
     
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    "But I am also sure that "tweaking" the groin injury factored into his overall decline from the late 2nd onward."

    That I agree w/100%.
     
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    I agree Ric. When he started, the groin was fine, but I just don't think it was ready for 4 quarters of NFL level work. I agree also that he looked good. Real good. But then aren't we saying the same thing? That he either should have waited another week, or been pulled after one quarter to keep him from staying out a more extended time like we are seeing now?
     
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    I hate having my groin tweaked...

    I may have spoken too soon.... I guess it depends on who's doing the tweaking.
     

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