Arkush: Bears offensive analysis after cuts – Cutler could shine

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  1. riczaj01

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    4da, but the OL isn't the sole reason, and when people claim that JC has no problems other then the OL, or WR or OC then they do become excuses.
    For instance, if the OL was so bad, why did Jay insist on holding onto the ball longer then just about every other QB in the league? At that point the OL, while a problem is actually worse b/c of the QB, the QB did not help them become better. And Cutlers holding onto the ball was in fact a problem, it's a statistcal fact that he held onto the ball longer then, I believe, all but 3 or so qb's, or maybe 1/3rd of qb's, regardless he's still holding onto the ball to long.

    Were the WR's a problem, yes, but when Cutler is holding onto the ball before the WR makes their break, he does them no favors, as the catch becomes that much more difficult since the D has already reacted to the break. And that is also a known problem, Cutler wants to throw to an open WR, not throw to the spot the WR is to be. So again the is the qb making an already sub par wr group better? No. so again you have a qb who gets the excuse that the WR's were no good.


    So in these two instances you can have both a reason and an excuses. The reasons are valid, but to then abdicate any blame of Cutler makes them an excuse; and far to many Bears fans have left Cutler blameless in the issues of the offense.
     
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    Lets put it this way.....reasons/excuses (whatever you want to call them) are in the past. I don't expect Cutler to suddenly become "clearly elite" but he MUST play better especially when it comes to decision-making and ball security.
     
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    MP, that that's the jist of the article. IF this OL can even be average(and there is still reason to question that) then there is zero reason for him to have the same issues he's had in the past.
     
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    I agree, Ric. Maybe I'm being overly-optimistic but I believe Cutler will elevate his game due to:
    A) Trestman/Kromer being >>>> Lovie & Co as offensive coaches
    B) Playing for a contract ($$$ talks, fellas)
     
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    All reasons are excuses, but not all excuses are reasons.
     
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    MPB said:
    I would add that fewer third and nine or more yards to go situations will also help Jay elevate his game. When a QB has to throw 15-20 yards to make the next first down, he probably has to hold the ball longer to allow time for the play to develop.
     
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    OK, I hate when threads are sidetracked from the original subject simply as a result of semantics. I stand by what I said and I still contend there is a very real difference between a reason and an excuse, but I'm not going to debate that issue here. As a result, I will change my above post to read as follows:

    There is a difference between an excuse and a reason. So Hub, and all you talking head Cutler haters out there, IF the line IS better and Cutler has reasonable time to throw, and IF the receivers catch the damn ball when it hits them right in their hands, then Cutler should do much better. Well, what if Cutler IS much better as some of us expect. What if Cutlers offense averages 30 points on it's opponents this year and what if he ends up with a QB rating around 100? Will you admit you were wrong about the guy, or will all the credit go to Trestman as the "QB Talker" that could even make a screw up like Cutler look good?

    My Whole point is, Cutler has been called a quitter, a cry baby, over rated, and any number of crappy names that have been unwarranted simply because sports writers and other media types don't like his attitude toward them. Because of their hate, they ignore valid reasons for much of his lack of success; so, will they finally give him credit when a real NFL offense takes the field, with an adequate Offensive Line, a real offensive game plan, and a real receiving corp, or will he still be reviled by the media with all credit going to the new coaching staff? I'm not suggesting Cutler is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, I never have. He makes some of his own problems as well, just as most QB's do, but those that have blamed him for many of the O's ills should also be prepared to give him credit when things start happening.
     
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    I'm not gonna get into the whole reason vs. excuse thing; that's a whole new topic altogether, but I will say that for as many people that absolve Cutler of any blame, there's just as many people that only blame him. While Cutler's not the only problem on offense, he's not the biggest problem, either. Bottom line, the whole thing's a mess and it's not that simple to paint the offense's woes under one brush.
     
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    Not a Cutler hater, just not a Cutler apologist.

    If he fails on the field, I am not going to point fingers at who is responsible for his failure. In the words of Peyton Manning after his 5 INT game against the Falcons last year "The ball is in my hands, the blame falls on me", not his exact words but that was what he said.
     
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    Mr.D, I won't doubt that, but the problem comes in when neither side will admit the others point. I, and Benj have often said that the OL/WR/Coaches are problems, just not the sole problem, and no one will back off the edge of it's not Cutlers fault.

    Regardless, Cutler has a real, legit, chance to shine in this Offense, and if he doesn't I will not hear anymore of the reasons/excuses. He's not the only one w/a sub par OL, or taking a ton of sacks, he's not the only one that ever had to deal w/a less then stellar weapon selection, but he's constantly performing below average, and if he cannot work w/out elites at every level, then he's just a slightly better then Rex Grossman or Kyle Orton and I hope the team doesn't feel the need to pay him 15-20 mil a year.

    IF he can perform at a extremely high level then I hope h they pay him whatever it takes to sign him.
     
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