Bears Defense; Lack of Talent or Poor Coaching?..............

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  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    The coaching/talent threads are similar to what we used to read endlessly in the Lovie Smith era - but those were about the offense. It's basically the same arguments we read back then about Ron Turner, Mike Martz & Mike Tice. There was some validity in the arguments on BOTH sides back then. We did need better talent. But we also needed better coaches. Same here.
     
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    Then who would play in Houston's spot?

    Lemme guess bubble boy CornWash.

    Conte is not as bad as people think. The DL was a bigger problem to fix than safety
     
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    On a serious note I wonder what Turner could have done w/talent equal to Cutler/Forte/Marshal/Jeffery/Bennett. I bash Rex and that O as much as anyone, but it had a fraction of the talent Kromer/Trestman have and there were a few games were the O did help out if not outright win games. I have to think the Bears would have a 2nd SB and possibly a 3rd w/that D having a merely capable O.

    I also wonder if Tice could have worked w/Bushrod/Slauson/Garza/Long/Mills and looked better then the garbage he was handed and asked to work miracles on. Unlike Turner I think he would have still struggled but I don't think all the Pixie dust stuff would have existed either.

    Martz is the only one I didn't outright like from the get go, dude's the Buddy Ryan of Offense, give him 5+ HoF'rs and his O is lights out, give him a few pro bowlers and his O is near the bottom. What kind of sociopath wants his QB taking hits like that?


    Benj, Conte is every bit as bad as I think he is.
     
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    I was thinking Willie Young. Let's see. Chris Conte or Antoine Bethea? You said we had no choice. I gave you a much better choice.
     
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    With a better line, safety play will improve.

    With a crap line, even the best safties will look like crap.

    Between Houston and Bethea, I take Houston.

    That was the free agent choice.
     
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    S play will improve, but it will go from bad to average(at best), not bad to great.

    I liked the Houston/Young signings, and was pretty happy w/Allen. But the reality is there had to be something inbetween the best S's and the dumpster dive the Bears did to come up w/Mundy and MDJ/Conte.
     
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    I don't care how good of a safety you are, if the DL gives a QB that much time, you will likely get burned by a WR.
     
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    I disagree. When Houston misses a tackle, the runner gets another 5 yards. When Conte misses a tackle it is 6 points. When Conte is too late getting there on deep passes, it is also 6 points. We saw it all last season, and we will see it again. We can't afford to have a screwball at that position.

    As for Houston, unless he turns into a world-beater DE, I'd rather have Bethea. I don't think you'd see nearly as much difference in performance between Houston-Young as between Conte-Bethea.
     
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    Bottom line. The game is won and lost in the trenches. That is the line on both sides.
     
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    True, but I don't care how good your DL is, they aren't always going to get to the qb in 3 sec's and your S's/CB's have to be good enough to cover them. Problem is that our S's aren't good enough to cover even for 3 sec's.
     

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