Bears Defense; Lack of Talent or Poor Coaching?..............

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  1. BSBEARS

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    Just looked up a few stats for kicks and something to watch the coaches against. I picked very generic stats to apply to both sides of the ball. Here is the site.

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/

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    {td=bcolor:transparent|143x@}Won/ LOSS{/td}
    {td=bcolor:transparent|64x@}2013{/td}
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    {td=bcolor:transparent}Ponts per Game{/td}
    {td=bcolor:transparent}23.3{/td}
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    {td=bcolor:transparent}Total offense (yards){/td}
    {td=bcolor:transparent}348.3{/td}
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    {td=bcolor:transparent}Passing yards per game{/td}
    {td=bcolor:transparent}236{/td}
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    {td=bcolor:transparent}avg rush allowed{/td}
    {td=bcolor:transparent}113{/td}
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    I say we give a point to the defense when they hold the opponent below the average of all 32 teams from 2013 and tally them up. Obviously teams like Denver distort the top but its intended as a simple measuring stick thru the year, likewise teams at the bottom distort it as well. The bottom line is win or loss but 3 out of 5 points should be a passing grade.. The offense should do better and the defense allow less. Thoughts???
     
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    Tucker only starting making the defensive calls in Jacksonville in 2011, prior to that Del Rio made the calls...and did you happen to look at that 2012 roster? High school teams had more talent.
     
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    And now we have talent and are seeing the opposite happen...

    You have to decide which is the norm and which is the anomoly.

    In addition, while I am familiar with Chicago, I do not pretend to know the situation in Jax. Rarely do we live in a test tube environment. There is usually more than a single source affecting an event. While the change to Tucker is the most visible, I have no idea what else may have contributed to those stats. Even if it was only Tucker, that stat bucks the trend before and after.
     
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    We have not seen nothing yet, its only the preseason.
     
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    I've seen something. And yes, it was the preseason.
     
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    They don't have to get there all the time...they just have to create consistent pressure to help the back 4.
     
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    First off, I don't know whats happening because all I've seen is 4 pre-season games in which the starters have played a combined 3 1/2 quarters. If thats enough to base an opinion off of...well...good for you. As for having the "talent"...we have more talent...but I wouldn't say we have a lot of talent. Our d-line is better, and deeper at DE...still not sure about DT. Our linebacking corp is what it is, and our corners are good, but we are still average to below average at safety depending on who you talk to. These are the facts.
     
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    Agreed. Do you think that is happening?
     
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    It did not happen often enough in the pre-season, Allen did not play much though so once again its an opinion based on incomplete data. Or is that an excuse for Allen being injured and having a baby.
     
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    Why do you think I am basing everything off of 4 preseason games? Because it lends to less credibility? What about the continuity in effort and effectiveness from last year? Cooincidence? Sure... might be...

    What about the influx of additional talent at DL yet a lack of incremental performance to match that talent?

    What about the trend that indicates a consistent mid to lower end defense in all but one year? None mean anything?

    So what are the actual data points that say it is not Tucker? I hear so much said about why the data does NOT mean it is Tucker, but I see NO evidence (from anyone I might add) that says that Tucker is doing a good job but there are extenuating circumstances. Just that there are extenuating circumstances, so don;t blame him. Only one data point exists for one year in Jax that indicates he has done well. I have seen nothing concrete to support his doing a good job. Just discounting of anything that says he has not.

    Even if proven, that would not say he is doing well... Just that he is not doing badly. Noting I have seen supports him. It just tries not to blame him. IMO, not a strong set of legs to stand on.
     

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