Bears keep tabs on RB James White

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    Having actually seen all of White's games, I like the kid. Plays with a lot of heart and toughness as well. The WI. running game has always been a two back rotating system. He catches the ball well out of the backfield and has good vision. Never was asked to block much in that system so it depends on how Emery & Co. see using him. Could be a interest or smokescreen.
     
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    You got that right. The first liar doesn't stand a chance this time of year. You just never know until "the pick is in". Don't get me wrong, I dearly LOVE this time of year. In fact, I probably participate in this forum more during THIS time of year than I do during the season. However, I always laugh at myself after the draft when I think to myself, "Self, did you really believe this guy would go there". This is all just mental masturbation! :10 4 4v[1]:
     
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    Yep. He's a much tougher little back than many would think based on the comments. He's very quick to read his blocks and burst through a hole. No he won't move the pile but he doesn't exactly go down easy either. I've been watching this kid since he was a Frosh and he's a good RB. It's only because Wisconsin uses several backs in rotation that his production isn't greater than it is. He's always shared carries with two other backs.

    Small? Walter was 5'10" 202lbs and White is 5'9" 204lbs and I don't recall anyone claiming Walter was a mini-back. White is much bigger than Garrett Wolfe so that's not an apt comparison either. This kids two biggest strengths are that he's quick and he's shifty and that he doesn't put the ball on the ground and to me that's a huge benefit he'd have over another back who may outweigh him by 20lbs but can't hold onto the ball.

    His biggest weakness is the same one most college backs have. He'll have to learn how to block better. They didn't use him that way at Wisconsin so that he'll have to pick up but again Walter was exceptional at blitz pickups at roughly the same size as White is so it's not as if he can't do it once he works it out. He may not be Matt Forte but he can catch the ball too and was used more that way than as a blocker.

    As for Ford to me he's just a smaller version of Bush with more speed. He actually runs in a similar style and has pretty good power for his size. White is somewhat the antithesis of Ford. White is the change of pace back who can get to the corner or run quick traps and he's not all that easy to bring down because he can shake and bake in the hole. He's a guy you might take towards then end of the draft not in the 3rd round like we did with Wolfe. That was a bad deal.
     
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    Walter didn't go up againt 270-300+ lb DL's in the 70's and 80's either. Average wait of a DT in the 70-80's was 260-280, DE 250-260. MUCH different then today.

    WP was also an outlier, a freak and one of the best RB's in the history of the NFL. his workout in the offseason was leagendary, comparing him and what he did to ANYONE is unfair.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=493
     
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    White isn't playing against 70's / 80's DL's either so I don't get your point unless you just don't like him for some reason. Living in WI., I got to watch all his games and base my opinion of him on that. The comparison to Walter seems to be strictly size wise as well.
     
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    The point is that while WP was the same size as White, the DL's back when Walter played were smaller, and now they are MUCH bigger, so you cannot just say well WP did it, it's an apples to oranges comparison. I perfer bigger rb's b/c they can handle the beating better from today's DL'men that are sitting at 270-330 lb's.
     
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    Any arguments as to White's size become null and void when you look at the number of successful backs in the past and the present who only go around 200lbs and some of them like Curtis Martin did go against bigger linemen very successfully at 200lb for a very long time. IMHO his weight has absolutely nothing to with it. He's not a Fullback or a Power Back. He a shifty change of pace guy who can also catch and his hand size only comes into play if he fumbles a lot. He doesn't. His height also has little do with it. He doesn't need to see over the line and it's better if he hides behind it so they can't see him as well. Michael Ford is exactly 1" taller than White.

    I'm not advocating we draft him at all and it's certainly not to be a starting RB but some of the points made here are ridiculous as it relates to James White. If Emery decides he wants a big back like Bush then that's who he'll go for but for as little as Bush was used any longer in goal line and short yardage situations that may not be what he's after either. Plus he brought back Fiametta who could play a John Kuhn type role as a short yardage back so the possibilities right now are endless. All I'm saying is that White is a good back who can play for some team in the NFL just like Montee Ball his former running mate. Ball is now the starter here in Denver and in college White was just as productive.
     
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    By your reasoning then White has (in college) done it against bigger, stronger DL's than WP did ? Still don't get your point other than you like bigger RB's. I suppose you don't like Sproles either then B/C he's not very big.
     
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    are you comparing college to pro's?
     
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    They both played in college and some of those became pros therefore the DL you spoke of were in college at the same time as WP and the ones White will face as a pro were also in college with him at the same time.
     

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