Bears May be Interested in Drafting DT Kelcy Quarles

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  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    Emery is trying to make strategic moves with the money he has available to put us in the best possible position for the draft. It's just trying to get the best overall bang for the buck. Other than Cutler, he's been pretty strategic with the money (that's not a criticism, but just saying it was a major outlay of money). But here's the deal IMHO........I think he probably sees this as a two year plan now. He'll do everything he can to put the best team on the field THIS year, while understanding it's going to take that second year's FA and draft to have the talent needed to be a top-tier team. It's a two year journey at this point. We take a step in the right direction this year, and the second step is 2015.
     
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    Regarding the draft, who really knows what Phil Emery will do? Did anyone foresee how the draft went down last year? I was really really surprised from the Long move right out of the chute, and the others too. I expect he'll surprise us all again this year too.
     
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    Only way this is the case is if we are looking at a dramatic scheme change. In any 4 man front the 3 is crucial in pass rush to press the pocket in order to disallow step up lanes. When this happens it disallows the qb's vision and leaves no escape for our DE's once they (hopefully) pinch the pocket and come free. You may be correct though if Shea is really playing sam this year. If we are looking at more blitzes (esp from him) in passing situations then you are not relying AS MUCH on the penetration. You can get by with occupying the center and both guards with two larger DTs. and leaving 3 one on ones that someone needs to cash in on. Either way, I'm not confident in Collins and Paea playing that position but I can see both sides of the coin.
     
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    All what 3 techs? The only two that I would call sure things as day one starters/major contributors are Donald and Jernigan and Jernigan is actually more of a NT who could play some 3 tech much like Paea. There may be depth but the caliber of most is suspect and questions abound. I agree there are more DTs but few that come close to these two as far as their productivity and promise. Go big or go home I say.

    Obviously I don't feel that Conte is a lost cause like you do. You can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that you and thousands of other Bears fans are way too emotional about this guy and putting way to much emphasis on his mistakes in that last GB game. In a well schemed and well run defense with a half way decent pass rush he looked like an up and comer in 2012. We all had a right to expect further improvement last year but not only did he regress but the whole damn defense did. The only guy who was even close to duplicating his 2012 season was Peanut and he missed half the season. Even Jennings stats were down.

    That secondary was a mess and Wright was even more confused by the coverage schemes and playing even worse than Conte was. Emery has already said he'll get a chance to keep his job and if he didn't mean that then why didn't he make a FS his priority instead of a DE? If cap strapped NOLA could find a way to afford Byrd then Emery could have done it even more easily. The kid out of GB who he did sign doesn't appear to be any better at playing FS so I'm gonna assume he's there as much to play STeams as anything else. There were better choices still on the market than the Jennings kid.

    All that said, like you I will have no problem at all as long as Phil covers one of those needs. He just has to decide which is more critical and right now they're about even. We still lack any impact pass rushers so it's gonna be pass rush by committee unless we improve there. And as it stands I don't see a FS on the roster who I think is any better than Conte. So if Phil takes Ha Ha who reminds me of Mark Carrier or Pryor who may well be another Ronnie Lott as a hitter and intimidator then he will still have filled an urgent need there as well. I just want him to lock up a potential impact player in this draft and I always look at DLinemen more in that regard than I do Safeties. The rest of the NFL seems to value them higher as well since DTs usually make a lot more $$$ than Safeties do.

    Over the years the Bears have gotten a lot of mileage out of Safeties who were drafted after the first round including guys like Mike Brown and the '80s Bears bunch; Doug Plank, Todd Bell, Dave Duerson, Gary Fencik. We've had some bozos too and for a decade or more it's been a real revolving door there. I'd like to see that stop as well and if drafting one in the first round will do that then I'm OK with that but I'd make damn sure that guy can give me something I don't already have. I believe Conte will redeem himself this year if given the chance but if we draft Ha Ha or Pryor he probably will have to do it from the bench and if that's not the case then I will be upset that we drafted a guy who isn't anywhere near as good as we thought he was.

    I think your points are valid enough though. Conte is a question mark with a contract and Melton is a question mark without one. The who may pivot on whatever happens with Melton. Emery seems comfortable enough bringing him back and if he does then a Safety would seem to jump out front but if he doesn't it may be the reverse. I may be crazy but I think Aaron Donald could become another John Randle who in all my years of watching NFL football to me was the toughest DT to block and keep out of your backfield that there ever was and they're roughly the same size and same style player. The funny thing is a lot of teams felt he was too small and passed on him and he came in as an UDFA. Talk about finding a diamond in a cracker jack box.
     
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    I agree soul, I would rather see Conte start with a solid dline than roll the dice on paea and Collins at 3. Conte regressed on a horribad defense. A lot of fans try to crucify him for all the missed tackles but miss the bigger picture. why is your FS being asked to make so many open field tackles on RBs?. Yes your FS from time to time must play goalie so to speak in run support but not nearly as much as he ha to last year. Bottom line: the 3 tech trumps replacing conte for now, if he is really as bad as everyone says I'm sure a 2nd round guy like Joyner or whoever else will have no problem beating him out in TC.
     
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    I agree. I think the failure to get the safety position resolved has been one of the top frustrations that I've had with the team. I don't understand why this has been so difficult to fix over the years. I'm hoping we get the position fixed, and the guys stay healthy over the years to come. I'm hoping that Conte turns it around this year. If not, then I hope he gets Phil's "welcome back with open arms" thing for 2015. Let him "sleep with the fishes" :)
     
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    I'm with Soul and Grizz on this one.

    If Donald is there at 14, you take him. Done. Melton isn't coming back, Ratliff is nearing the end of his career, Collins is coming off an ACL tear, and Paea is a FA next year. Take Donald. S/CB in 2/3.

    If he's gone, then Ha-Ha or Mosely or maybe Pryor or Jernigan.
     
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    That's pretty much the way I'd go about it too. As long as Donald is coming into a situation where more isn't expected of him than he can offer right now I think he'll be fine and maybe even more than fine. He'll be playing in a rotation with three other pretty good DTs so his snaps will be limited by that and he'll have some time to learn and adjust. If the kid comes in and gets in peoples backfields and disrupts and puts up 5 or 6 sacks he'll be considered a great pick. Sure there are concerns and risks because of his size. Make him two inches taller and 10lbs heavier and with his stats and Combine he'd be a top ten pick for sure and maybe a top five.

    If Emery feels he needs a FS more than a 3 tech or a two position DT like Jernigan then so be it. I won't bitch. But somewhere in the first three rounds he needs to find a quick penetrating DT even if he does sign Melton for another year. What I don't want to see him do is trade down and take guys like Hageman or Tuitt. At #14 we have a shot at the best or second best DT or FS and if that's the case you take him period. Fuck extra picks in rounds three or four. We need some first day players and most of those come out of the first two rounds.
     
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    I'd take Quarles in the 2nd or 3rd all day over Donald, when you compare what those two did against top competition Quarles clearly had the better college career, and it also nets you a top S ILB or CB at 14, and no one in those positions are near as good to them as Quarles is to Donald(imo)
     

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