Bears resign Garza

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  1. butkus3595

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    Probably expected but not an improvement.
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    Now draft his replacement and give him this year to learn the ropes.
    Good situation.
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    I'm fine with a one year contract. Garza does provide leadership to the younger players on the line. He is a proven leader in the locker room. Maybe Boggs might win the job in camp. Maybe we draft a center, who could learn and take over next year. In the past few years there aren't too many centers drafted who start out day one. Many start playing guard or sit on the pine and learn.
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    I know a lot of people thinks that this is not a step forward. I look at it as NOT a step back.

    I have seen how poorly the Ravens offensive line looked after the old and crusty was replaced by the young fresh guy.

    Center is important and this year is not the year to try to find a replacement when the defense needs to be rebuilt.

    This was a prudent move.
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    md, again this is not about one or the other, you can do both. Starting C's are rarely found in the first 2-3 rounds, they are normally found in the later rounds.

    That being said, it was an obvious move. No one else was going to want him, and the Bears never found his replacement, and w/the resinging of Boggs I don't see them drafting a C early or even late, it'll probably be a UDFA guy that will sit on the PS.
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    I see it as a prudent but unspectacular move. And this is almost assuredly Garza's last year (didn't Kreutz start falling off the cliff performance-wise around age 34/35?) so there better be a replacement in the pipeline this year being groomed to start next year.

    Could it be Boggs?
    Or a new udfa or late rounder?
    Or even moving Slauson over if they find a new LG to take his place?

    Ric, I agree that most centers aren't drafted high and Kromer has a rep for developing late round/udfa OL talent. And I know we don't have the luxury of using a high or even mid pick on one with all the defensive needs. But it wouldn't bother me at all to use our 6th round options on a C and/or RB.
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    We didn't have much choice. We probably should have drafted his replacement a couple of years ago. I agree with Ric in that we should be able to develop a solid young guy from later rounds or UFA, but those guys usually can't play day-1, so that's why we should have planned ahead and got the new youngster on board in time to have been able to phase out Garza before this year. I'm not hating on Garza at all here. It's just a situation where we could seriously have upgraded our OL with something better - and it should have happened a couple of years ago. Yet another year with him is not too good IMHO. Oh well. It is what it is. Lots to fix on this team, and not enough resources to fix everything in 2014. That's the bottom-line.
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    I thought there were some decent options out there this year in free agency....but oh well.
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    This is not true. Here are 17 starting centers that were drafted in the first three rounds that started at the position in 2013.

    I do agree that with Boggs and Garza under contract that Kromer is not going to want anyone at the position this year. I told you Boggs was in the long term plans of this team :).


    Travis Frederick NFL Draft: 2013 / Round: 1 / Pick: 31
    Debuted in 2013 for the Dallas Cowboys

    Mike Pouncey NFL Draft: 2011 / Round: 1 / Pick: 15
    Debuted in 2011 for the Miami Dolphins

    Eric Wood NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 28
    Debuted in 2009 for the Buffalo Bills

    Nick Mangold NFL Draft: 2006 / Round: 1 / Pick: 29
    Debuted in 2006 for the New York Jets

    Alex Mack NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 1 / Pick: 21
    Debuted in 2009 for the Cleveland Browns

    Maurkice Pouncey NFL Draft: 2010 / Round: 1 / Pick: 18
    Debuted in 2010 for the Pittsburgh Steelers

    Brad Meester NFL Draft: 2000 / Round: 2 / Pick: 60
    Debuted in 2000 for the Jacksonville Jaguars

    Samson Satele NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 2 / Pick: 60
    Debuted in 2007 for the Miami Dolphins Plays for Colts now)

    Rodney Hudson NFL Draft: 2011 / Round: 2 / Pick: 55
    Debuted in 2011 for the Kansas City Chiefs

    Dominic Raiola NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 2 / Pick: 50
    Debuted in 2001 for the Detroit Lions

    David Baas NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 2 / Pick: 33
    Debuted in 2005 for the San Francisco 49ers (Plays for NY Giants now)

    Stefen Wisniewski NFL Draft: 2011 / Round: 2 / Pick: 48
    Debuted in 2011 for the Oakland Raiders

    Max Unger NFL Draft: 2009 / Round: 2 / Pick: 49
    Debuted in 2009 for the Seattle Seahawks

    Ryan Kalil NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 2 / Pick: 59
    Debuted in 2007 for the Carolina Panthers

    Peter Konz NFL Draft: 2012 / Round: 2 / Pick: 55
    Debuted in 2012 for the Atlanta Falcons (Lost his job to Hawley midway through 2013)

    Jeremy Zuttah NFL Draft: 2008 / Round: 3 / Pick: 83
    Debuted in 2008 for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Nick Hardwick NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 3 / Pick: 66
    Debuted in 2004 for the San Diego Chargers
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    Things to note:

    Konz was the second center to be taken in 2012. He was awful at center in 2013, and lost his job to Joe Hawley.

    Gino Gradowski of the Ravens was taken in the 4th round in 2012, and he struggled too.

    Playing center is very tricky, and takes a special kind of player to be mentally ready for it.
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    Top 10 C's in 2013:
    that are also on your list:
    N Mangold
    M Birk
    C Myers
    C Wiegmann
    S O'Hara
    J Saturday
    R Kalil
    T McClure
    S Wells
    A Gurode

    2 out of those 17 were in the top 10 this past year also, so what have we learned? That C is a wasted pick early, thanks for playing, I could do this each year you want to go back also; did this last year for the past decade and all of the top 10 C's were mostly from the 4th to UDFA.

    When I talk about starting I'm talking quality, not just any one that's starting. Webb was a starter LT for 2 years, doesn't mean he SHOULD have been.
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    Isnt Alex Mack a FA?!
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    I believe some of the centers drafted early have started at guard and not center initially.
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    McClure, Birk and Saturday retired before the 2013 season. O'Hara retired in 2012.

    Wiegmann has not played what, since 2011, 2012?

    Gurode is a backup for the Raiders. Wisniewski is the stating center.

    Wells and Myers are the only two currently starting NFL centers on your list that were late round or UDFA's

    Where did you get that list, from a history book? The way teams are addressing center now is not the way it was 10 years ago.
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    Konz struggled at center and is now playing guard for the Falcons.
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    What do think we should do at center? What would be best here now that we know Garza is here for one more season? I don't claim to know.....I'm just curious as to what others think, and you seem to know a lot about the OL.
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    Here are the rest of 2013's starting centers for everyone's enjoyment:


    4th round picks:

    Gino Gradkowski NFL Draft: 2012 / Round: 4 / Pick: 98
    Debuted in 2012 for the Baltimore Ravens

    Manny Ramirez NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 4 / Pick: 117
    Debuted in 2007 for the Detroit Lions (plays for Broncos now)

    Brian Schwenke NFL Draft: 2013 / Round: 4 / Pick: 107
    Debuted in 2013 for the Tennessee Titans

    Kory Lichtensteiger NFL Draft: 2008 / Round: 4 / Pick: 108
    Debuted in 2008 for the Denver Broncos (Plays for Washington now)

    Roberto Garza NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 4 / Pick: 99
    Debuted in 2001 for the Atlanta Falcons (Plays for Da Beers now)

    Joe Hawley NFL Draft: 2010 / Round: 4 / Pick: 117
    Debuted in 2010 for the Atlanta Falcons


    5th rounders and below:

    Jonathan Goodwin NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 5 / Pick: 154
    Debuted in 2002 for the New York Jets (plays for SF now)

    Chris Myers NFL Draft: 2005 / Round: 6 / Pick: 200
    Debuted in 2005 for the Denver Broncos (Plays for Texans now)

    Jason Kelce NFL Draft: 2011 / Round: 6 / Pick: 191
    Debuted in 2011 for the Philadelphia Eagles

    John Sullivan NFL Draft: 2008 / Round: 6 / Pick: 187
    Debuted in 2008 for the Minnesota Vikings

    Scott Wells NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 7 / Pick: 251
    Debuted in 2004 for the Green Bay Packers (Plays for Rams now)

    Kyle Cook Undrafted in 2007
    Debuted in 2009 for the Cincinnati Bengals

    Lyle Sendlein Undrafted in 2007
    Debuted in 2007 for the Arizona Cardinals

    Brian de la Puente Undrafted in 2008
    Debuted in 2011 for the New Orleans Saints

    Ryan Wendell Undrafted in 2008
    Debuted in 2009 for the New England Patriots
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    We are going with Garza, and will gradually work in Boggs is my guess. If he washes out, Garza for the rest of the year. Boggs is getting 650K for one year. That's pretty good for someone who has never started a regular season game.

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