Can this defense survive the bye week without giving up 400 yards?

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  1. Henry Burris

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    You don't care "why" the defense is under performing, you just want to destroy everything. Perhaps a few of our injured players might be of value to this team, and maybe our DC was given a **** hand from the deck. It isn't as simple as "EVERYONE GET THE HELL OUT OF THE BUILDING NOW!"
     
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    True, they are missing 1 OL, hell the Bears last year were missing 5 OL all season(Webb sucks, Carimi Sucks, Chilo sucks, Cwill sucks Garza sucks) and they won games. I would guess 1 T isn't going to end a season for a team that bases everything around their O

    3 wr's...Ya that should have hurt, but look at NE and what they've done w/no WR's this year. can you see how over rated elite wr's are w/an elite qb? Elite wr's make things really nice, but aren't needed to win games, you're seeing that this year....it's actually opened my eyes. Elite qb's DO make their WR's better so they don't need elite WR's, just capable ones.

    And big fat whoop their missing 1 guy on D, no matter how good he is, especially on a team who's O is their calling card.

    Now the bears are missing 2 guys at DT, 1 guy at DE(Wootton is now playing DT), 2 starting LB's, and their best CB is playing hurt, and the only guy that can rush a passer is playing hurt. That's 5 guys on the same side of the field, all but one in the front 7.

    I can respect you saying hit the reset, I'm okay w/that happening, if it does. I just don't think it's going to happen. 1 thing that we can agree on is it's a dumpster fire; but it wasn't just inj's that created this, it wasn't bad scheme either, it was age and lack of talent behind the age. The inj's just highlighted the problem. This D under Tucker has done more then what would have happened under Lovie/Hot Rod to try and create the necessary pressure, including more extensive LB blitzes and line stunts. But by doing that Tucker exposed the really bad safety play of Conte and Wright, and that's the straw that broke the camel's back, the safety play that many talked about as being good and turning a corner last year, is flat bad.
     
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    This is the post of the month. Although I think Tucker is not the answer, and I would rather have him replaced, he does not get the majority of the blame for this season's performance. I think he sticks around next year because he will get a pass due to the injuries.

    I blame Jerry for his pathetic drafting forcing the problems that ric pointed out. How many safeties did we draft/sign in FA? How many of them were worth the recycled paper fibers they signed on? Did we really draft a guy cuz he could jump out of a swimming pool or was that just a bad nightmare? The injuries caused the steamroller to go out of control, but it was going downhill already due to lack of depth/talent.
     
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    Honestly, with a good defensive line, our safeties don't really look that bad, and when they were playing in a cover 3 defense last year, their CB's really stood out.
     
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    Conte out of place on the line.
    Conte bouncing off a receiver who then makes the catch.
    Conte missing tackles.
    Wright 10 yards off the WR.
    Wright watching the wrong WR
    Wright biting and obvious fakes
    Wright gets an interception or two, but is that because he's so out of position he's able to grab a really bad pass?

    our safeties are terrible. Whether the line is getting pressure or not. Granted, no pressure makes them look worse, but is being bad with pressure and being really bad without pressure acceptable?
     
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    Henry, now you're the one being ridiculously simplistic. Of course, I "care why" the defense has imploded and I'm not suggesting throwing the baby out with the bath water here. But, looking at the global host of issues (medical status, age, contracts, etc.), there isn't much left on this defense that will or should be around next year.

    Peppers is showing his age and his contract is enormous. No way you can pay a guy that kind of money at his age for less that pro bowl production. He will be gone.

    Melton has one pro bowl year (one that was questioned by a lot of people as to how much it was truly deserved and how much it was due to Pep sucking up extra attention). He looked very average only in the 3 games he played in this season. Next year he will be returning from a major knee injury. No way he gets a LT contract. If another team want to overpay him, then let him go. Maybe he will be back on a one-year "prove it" deal, maybe not. I wouldn't count on him for much even if he is.

    Cornerbacks: we have 4 of them that are FAs. I would try to re-sign Peanut to a 2-3 year final deal (if his knee is ok) because he is still a game changer with his takeaway ability. I'd keep Bowman as he's been decent on D and plays good STs. Jennings and Hayden can walk.

    DJWIlliams will be coming off a major injury and is in his 30s. See ya.

    Shea: either make something out of him at LB or cut him if he flops

    Corey Wooton I would like to keep. He's young, healthy, and has shown enough versatility to play inside and out.

    Major Wright needs to hit the road. He hasn't earned a LT contract. Conte is playing badly too but he has one more year/chance left on his rookie deal.

    Any strong disagreements with any of that? I think its a pretty realistic (if sobering) assessment of the contract/roster situation on defense that Emery will be soon facing. Yeah that's a major blowup on defense with at least 4 new starters needed and Briggs/Tillman probably to follow within 2 more years.
     
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    Um, it's perfectly normal for good players to have bad stretches (Henry Melton), and while the defense wasn't GREAT in the beginning, they did everything necessary against the Bengals to win (notice how a far superior Jets defense was decimated for 5 td passes yesterday?).

    Remember the Vikings game? The one where Jay Cutler fumbles the ball away, and throws 2 INTs in the second quarter, to allow the Vikings the chance to come back, in what should have been an absolute blowout? Or how about the fact that the Bears D stopped Adrian Peterson from getting 100 yards?

    What about the Lions game, when the offense REPEATEDLY turned the ball over, deep in their own territory, to allow the Lions many chances to score early and often? This defense, pre injury, was not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be, and Jay Cutler's contributions in the 4th quarter (to make up for his many turnovers in the first half) are overly praised, in helping win "despite the defense".

    While the Saints game was somewhat winnable, whenever your 6 of your 7 possessions in the first half end in a punt, and, when the majority of them earn you less than 20 yards, your offense is giving your defense NOTHING to work with. That Hail Mary at the end of the second was luck, and even so, it didn't result in a touchdown.

    Now, I know many on here are going to completely misinterpret what I'm saying, so maybe (doubtful, really) if I explain it this way, you'll get it: This defense may be trash now, but that's largely due to injury. When the defense actually had a pulse, this offense couldn't quit tripping over its own shoes NOT to help them. We need a healthy and effective defensive line more than we need anything else on defense, because a good d-line can mask many of the problems a secondary might have.
     
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    Yep it's not that I like or want to defend the D, but the O hasn't looked near as good as people think it has, and as of last week, the Bears D was 2nd or 3rd in turn overs, which has greatly helped the O actually score on short fields when it was struggling to drive the ball.

    To try and put it in perspective, here are how many times the team drove the ball more then 50 yards:

    Wk 1, 2 times, both 80, 2 drives over 50 yards in an entire game...that is sad.
    wk 2, 3 times, an 80, 70, and 60, again 3 drives in an entire game, sad.
    wk 3, 3 times, 1 70, 1 60, 1 50...it's getting worse.
    wk 4, 5..now we are talking. 1 80, 2 70, 1 60 and 1 50. That's basically 1 a qtr I'll take it.
    wk 5, another 5, we're heating up, 2 80, 2 70 and a 50.
    wk 6, woops slipt back to pre wk 4, 2 80 and a 50.
    wk7, a nice bounce back w/the caveat that not one of these happened w/Cutler: 3 80yrd drives, 2 60 drives. That's right our best drives came w/the backup in against an awfull D.

    So what's my point? The O is scoring at a really high rate, which is fine, but it's not b/c of their own prowess, their doing it b/c the D and ST's are giving good field position, much like in years past. There are way to many 3 and out's, there are way to many sub 30 yard drives for my liking.

    Worse then that though, if the D isn't getting the TO, they are normally giving up a score. The O needs to keep the D off the field w/more long drives then they have been giving them.
     
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    The D did a serviceable job against pretty potent Bengals O in the opener and has done nothing since but disappoint. In game 2, the D was bad enough to almost make Christian Ponder look like a potential franchise QB. The following week, the hapless Steelers ran and passed all over us (note: these are two of the NFLs worst offenses we are talking about here and then throw in NYG who almost looked powerful against us despite also being also among the bottom). I won't even go into the how bad the redskins are and how good we made them look.

    4 teams whose offenses don't really scare anyone that racked up big yards and points against us.
     
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    To piggyback this comment, here's the turnover difference in each game so far:

    Cincinnati: 1 offensive TO, 3 defensive TO

    Minnesota: 4 offensive TO, 3 defensive TO

    Pittsburgh: 0 offensive TO 5 defensive TO

    Detroit: 4 offensive TO, 3 defensive TO

    Saints: 1 offensive TO, 0 defensive TO

    Giants: 0 offensive TO, 3 defensive TO

    Washington: 1 offensive, 1 defensive TO

    (games in bold are losses)

    The Bears are currently tied for 3rd in turnover difference, but, seeing as the injuries started to pile up around the time we started picking up losses, that trend is looking to go south, once we play Green Bay and Detroit. On this board, "the defense sucks" and "the defense is just old" get thrown around a lot here, but when your offense, for a multitude of reasons (having a 3rd tackle on the line shows they're masking for blocking deficiencies, even though I've always been a supporter of this) not only turns the ball over, but at inopportune times, you'd even put the best defenses at a great disadvantage to prevent a score.

    Now, to switch over to why I think the safeties aren't completely terrible, I will say, yes, they are mediocre. However, they were able to help hold Aaron Rodgers to 228 yards passing, even when they were missing both Brian Urlacher and Tim Jennings. I'm saying, more than anything, if Emery can rebuild the defensive line, their deficiencies will be easier to mask, without a question. It wouldn't hurt to have competition for them, but, unless there's an amazing prospect that falls to us, we may be stuck with them, and as long as the d-line gets fixed, that's not the worst thing in the world. It will mean more ground would have to be covered by cornerbacks, but seeing as both of our CB's were able to make the pro bowl last year, that's not too much to put faith in.
     
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