Can we please stop making excuses for the defense?

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  1. DavidL

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    Wow, Trestman has a weird perspective. I guess he downplays the significance of the game to relax the team and keep them steady if they lose.
     
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    There are games where your QB buries your team and gives you no shot to win. This was one of them. Cutler needed to get something going on those drives in the 2nd quarter and he didn't. What would have helped that Bears defense today was doing something on those 4 terrible possessions in the 2nd quarter. 2 of those 4 possessions the Bears had the ball for no more than 2 minutes. The INT possession lasted 18secs. The other 3 and out possession the Bears had the ball for 43sec. If I was on that defense I'd be seriously pissed off that the offense is just giving the ball back that quickly.

    When your defense is reeling like that, your offense just has to do a much better job of getting something going. You can't just hand the ball back like that, with the kind iof momentum DET had. That's football 101. And I hope we don't see anymore quarters like that this year, because that game was over in 1 quarter.
     
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    As bad as Reggie Bush hurt us (which All-Pro Calvin Johnson didn't as some people avoid admitting), the D wasn't the cause of the loss. When you hold Stafford to under 250 yards and take the ball away 3 times but still lose, the D is the lesser of your problems.
     
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    Wow, I don't see anyone on here defending Jay Cutler, but I see people SAYING that people are defending Jay Cutler. I will say the same thing that a handful of others have said, this loss is on the whole team. Muster is right, this Defense needs help. I really think we are starting to see the age of some of our defensive stars, especially Briggs and Peppers. Yes, Cutler put the Defense in a bad spot a number of times, and Jay played badly; hell, I'll go farther than that, Jay played like crap. He was off on everything; but our Defense and Special teams played poorly too. Everyone has a bad day occasionally, but if other elements of the team play well you can sometimes overcome it. However, every now and then you have a game where the whole team plays bad, and that was our game yesterday. I'm not going to get too upset after one game. If you had asked this board a month ago if we would be happy if we were 3-1 at this point, I think the opinion would be a unanimous "yes".
     
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    Come on Ric, Reggie Bush averaged 144 yards in his first 3 games? Well, he didn't play against Washington and the numbers you quote are all purpose yards. Let's look at his rushing:

    Vs. Vikings, Bush rushed for 90 yards with a 4.3 yd/rush average
    Vs. Cardinals, Bush rushed for 25 yards for a 2.8 yard/rush average

    Now, before I show the Chicago stats, keep in mind that you are comparing our defense to that of the Vikings (1-3) and the Cardinals (2-2).

    Vs. the beloved, Bush rushed for 139 yards for a 7.7 yard/rush average

    If you are in a game where your back is rushing for 7.7 yards per attempt, then the passing game numbers should (and were) pedestrian. Now, If you want to blame Cutler exclusively (which we all agree he played terribly, and I freely admit that sack/fumble/TD was on him), that's fine, but I suggest that it's a disingenuous argument. Losing Melton hurt us, but that is not the only problem with this Defense. It needs to be addressed.
     
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    The defense is mediocre at best when they're not taking the ball away.

    Bears management (Angelo and Lovie I'm looking at you) is to blame for wasting the prime years of an elite defense by putting an absolute shit offense out there to go with it.

    Now the defense is over the hill and the offense is just now getting good.
     
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    EXACTLY. Well said, 4dabers. Has Bush EVER had a game where he RUSHED for as many yards as he did against us?! Our defense looked like a Pop Warner unit trying to tackle Emmit Smith.
     
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    While it was winable JABF99, the defense still didn't go their job. Bush to way to much space and there was imo hardly any pressure on Stafford. We are pretty lucky he didn't have a field day and made loads of bad throws otherwise it might just had been a massacre..
     
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    I don't care about rush vs all purpose or not in todays NFL, guys like Bush and Forte make their money b/c of their rec threat as well as their run threat. He's averaging 144 yards, that's what matters.. Forte averaged 6.8, against a much better Det D, on the year he's been averaging 4.4, should we talk about how shitty the Det D is now?

    Bush had good game, but that was at the expense of CJ, I warned everyone after that FA signing that Det was going to be hard to stop now that they have Threats at all 3 levels, CJ deep, TE's middle and now Bush. You cannot stop all of them. Of the two who would put your Def set up to stop? Bush or Johnson?

    Last year Bush ran for 172 on Oak, and 203 the year before that against Buffalo, so ya he's ran for more and better yards then he did yesterday.
     
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    • So you warned us about Detroit? What does that have to do with the argument Ric? Frankly, anyone that pays any attention to football knew that the Lions were improving; we don't need your omnipotent vision to see it. I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting we lost to a poor team and we all admit that their offense is improved.

    • As for your point that you don't care about all purpose yards vs. rushing, well, perhaps you should. If a team can rush on you when they are winning then you are in a bad position. You are right that if you can run AND pass, then you have a difficult team to defend, but you HAVE to stop the run FIRST.

    • As for Forte, well, if you want to talk about how shitty the Detroit D is, that's fine, but again, it's off point (especially considering 56% of Fortes rushing yards came on one play which was not the case with Bush). We're not talking about Detroit, we're talking about the Bears and if the Defense or QB is more to blame. Many of us freely agree that Cutler's game yesterday was largely to blame for this loss, but some of us also suggest that our Defense needs to be addressed, yet somehow, that is turning into us being apologists for Cutler? On the contrary, we are admitting that there are more flaws in this team than others may want to admit.

    • I looked up Bush's rushing stats too. He did, in fact rush for 172 yards against the 2012 Oakland Raiders who ended the season with a 4-12 record, and for 203 yards against the 2011 Buffalo Bills that ended with a 6-10 record and has had one of the leagues worst rushing defenses over the last 3 or 4 years. Those are the only two times in his 7 1/3 year career that he has rushed for more than he did yesterday. I'm not sure how that helps prove your point; I'm thinking that kind of supports MusterGhost.
     
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