Carey a Great Fit as Forte's Backup?...................

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  1. jackiejokeman

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    If Carey could be between SWEETNESS and Barry Sanders in scat moves ...

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ...

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    So can I Ski. In fact in 2 years Forte will want another big contract if he's still effective & healthy. As much as I like Forte I love our Bears so if Carey can "be the Guy" in a couple years it will help us alot. I think he can & hope he does. I was hoping we would pick him in the 3rd rd as I watched alot of his tape pre-draft & was very impressed. I thought getting him in the 4th rd was a steal. Time will tell.
     
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    Carey's not going to be "the guy" ya'll are dreaming. He's not going to be the Bears Eddie Lacy.
     
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    well with our west coast style of play, I can see him taking over for forte.

    do we really need a big RB if we are able to spread the field with our passing?

    we needed big runners due to our bad passing game. Hopefully that wont be the case this year.
     
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    look at the prev 2 sb winners for that answer Ski, both had really good rb's, and the both their opponents had solid, if not near elite rb's also(gore for SF last year), and Den had a solid run game also.

    RB's aren't a dime a dozen as many claim, and you need a guy that can chew the clock, if not take over a game; especially when Cutler goes down for his standard 2-8 games.
     
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    Yeah but Forte didn't make any holes. Our run offense was pretty bad IMO.

    Yeah the stat doesn't show that, but I remember a LOT of times where Forte got stopped at the line.

    I can't really argue anything without a game as an example. Usually we would have one big run that would make the stats look different.

    I just remember every game we'd had to pound it out 1-2 yards at a time. Eventually we'd break a long run, but for the most part we were not consistent.

    Time will tell. I really like this Carey kid after seeing a couple of videos.
     
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    Bears rushing stats 2014
    24th in attempts and attempts per game
    16 in total yards
    17th in TD's
    7th in ypa
    16 in first downs
    4th in 1st down %
    7th in fewest fumbles

    so even though the team was bottom 3rd in total attempts/attempts per game every other stat was near top 1/2 or top 1/3rd in production. What else do you want from a guy that finished top 3 in every meaningful stat for his position; minus attempts/attempts per game? And why do you think a smaller slower 4th round rookie is going to be his equal let alone his better anytime soon?

    I like Carey, but nothing about him says, let alone screams, future 50 game starter for the Bears. He's a great backup, and maybe his top ceiling, if everything works out is future starter, but he's not that now.
     
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    go to player vs player comparison, rushing only not rec's. *for some stats i'm only looking at rb's w/at least 200 attempts b/c averages get skewed w/a guy that had 1 long run, and it's easy for guys w/20 attempts to have 0 fumbles etc.

    7th in attempts per game/3rd in attempts(odd to think about)
    2nd in yards
    4th in ypa(tied)
    4th in ypg
    6th in TD's
    2nd in 1st downs
    2nd in 1st down %
    2nd in 20 yard runs
    1st in 40 yard runs(tied)
    7th in fumbles(tied)*he had 2

    If you add in rec's I think you'll find many of these #'s go from below top 5 to over top 5. But again, fewer attempts/attempts per game, but higher production.

    Now look at the Bears total offense was 6109 yards, forte was 1933 total yards. making him 32% of the teams Offense(not his 40+% of past but this was a better O around him so to be expected), and he scored 33% of the teams TD's; but Carey is going to just step in and be better?

    You all have way to high of hopes for Carey, if ANYONE thought he had that time of potential he would have went in the 2nd round; but to be honest I hope you're all right b/c that would make Carey the biggest steal in the draft and the Bears would have a top 5 rb in waiting.
     
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    When it comes time a RB like Matt Forte won't be easy to replace. I don't think Carey is that kind of back but I'll hold my judgment until I've seen him play for a couple of years as a pro.
     
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    @riczaj01 like I said, I can't back it up with stats.

    Basically it's from my gut. I just like this kid after seeing his highlights. Will that translate into the NFL, time will tell.

    Something about Forte just doesn't sit with me. Yeah he's had some big runs, but he's been run down many times.

    I just feel that we could put almost any RB that can catch in his spot, and they would put up the numbers he has.

    Like I said, he is not doing to get us tough yardage. He's not someone who can get yardage every down.

    his stats are pretty good, but if you take away his big plays, you get mow much per yard.

    Lemme show you an example of what I mean using last year.

    Ok, lets break this down using his rushing attempts, minus his longest runs of each game.
    What I'm doing is taking his long run out of the stats. I'm even removing that "attempt" from the formula.

    Week 1 - 2.27 per carry
    Week 2 - 3.37 per carry
    Week 3 - 2.13 per carry
    Week 4 - 3.23
    Week 5 - 3.72
    Week 6 - 3
    Week 7 - 2.7
    Week 8 - 4.69
    Week 9 - 1.62
    Week 10 - 3.7
    Week 11 - 3.4
    Week 12 - 3.9
    Week 13 - 4.42
    Week 14 - 4.47
    Week 15 - 2.12
    Week 16 - 4.28

    so four weeks he had over 4 yards per carry, if you subtract his longest runs for that game. Shit, some of those games he had like 95 yards total, and (1) 50 yard run. That 50 yard run brough his average up alot. I understand that counts, but when you run the ball 20 times, thats not saying alot.

    If you look at LeSean McCoy who led the lead in rushing yards, when he had big runs, he had almost 200 yards for that game.

    So my point is only that we grind it out with Forte, and most of the time he falls forward for a couple of yards. His stats don't show that 9/10 runs are less than 4 yards.

    Thats all I'm saying. I don't know how much is because of the line, but I just don't see him as a great runner. Above average most likely.

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