Chi v Det what we learned

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    Chicago O: wow, that was an abortion of qb play out there by Cutler. 2 td's in garbage time is nothing to hang your head on. Why did Forte only have 14 carries that entire game, and only 8 at 1/2 time? That's embarassing, even w/rec's he was under 20 touches, he NEEDS to be in the 25 range minimum, this game was not so out of control, even at 1/2 time that the team should have went soley to the air, especially w/how poorly Cutler was playing. Cutler is what Cutler is, and he's going to have these types of games...is he capable of taking the team to the playoffs and winning a SB, ya probably, is he capable of taking a team right out of the playoffs yep guaranteed. The OL wasn't horrible and on those 3 picks they weren't the issue. He threw into triple coverage and double coverage w/time in the pocket, that is unacceptable for a vet nfl qb.

    Chicago D: Gave up 40 points, sounds bad right, well much like how the O scored 40 last week and it was a mirage b/c the D created 17 of those, well the Chi O gave it right back to them this week and set up the Det O w/17 points. Again the DL struggled to get pressure and the DB's just didn't get the job done. Still the D had 3 TO's, and almost had another at the goalline, they essentially did their job. You asked for a Peppers step up, and he did, a sack, a qb pressure and a forced fumble. And other then picking up that forced fumble, where was last years 19th pick? No where. Even I thought he'd show more then this by now.

    Chicago ST: other then Gould, F complete fail on eveyone else on the ST's. Hester did okay, but nothing special, Podlesh didn't have a good game, and actually their poor tackling contributed to one of those Det TD's. Micheal Ford, thanks for that missed tackle btw.

    Chicago Coaches: WTH? You went away from Forte, you kept putting the ball in Culters hands even though he was way off, the game wasn't out of hand, just wth?


    Det: Folks welcome to the other side of facing the Bears the last two years. The O is nothing special most of the game, and the D just made the whole team look better then it was. Coaches were okay but nothing special either. The D was advantageous and took the GB approach to Cutler, let him throw the ball and he'll throw it to us eventually; and he did. The O made a handfull of plays to give them the win.
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    Overseas... the game was over by the time I even woke up. So... question...

    Suh vs. Long?
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    I have to pretty much agree, Ric. There's a lot of things I could cite (missed tackles on Bush, Podlesh's shitty punts, weak pass rush) but those are all secondary. I didn't think the D or STs were all that good but that wasn't the problem. The problem was Cutler looked like Sanchez out there. He sucked in every facet--accuracy, decision-making, timing/quickness, ball security, everything. He was f*****g terrible.

    I'd take Matt Cassell or Brian Hoyer over that. Unacceptable.
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    The OL was NOT the problem.
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    This was pretty much the polar opposite of the Steelers game from last week. This was definitely a wake-up call for the Bears. Hope this doesn't become the trend down the road when they face teams considerably better than Detroit.
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    Oline did it's job, for the most part. Cutler went into Brett Favre mode for the game.
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    Long had 1 questionable hands to the face, but that was the only issue.


    Cassell helped the Vikings win today, Alex Smith helped his team win today, those are "game managers" that don't have 1/2 the overall ability of Cutler. Point being able to play w/in yourself is a huge key to today's NFL. Unless your Brees Brady or Manning the qb cannot force throws, and no qb, even those three can afford to have 4 turn overs in their name.
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    Suh got through a bit, but he is a great player. The OL was not the problem. Now the D-line, they just sucked.
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    the did get some pressure, and Peppers got a sack and a forced fumble, I wouldn't say they sucked, but they weren't great by any means, and now w/out Melton it's going to get even worse.
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    Detroit had the passing game under control because Stafford got limited pressure. Their run game was very effective. Bush is a great back, but he was pealing off the yards at will.
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4686514/rapid-reaction-lions-40-bears-32

    Rapid Reaction: Lions 40, Bears 32
    September, 29, 2013
    4:16 PM ET
    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com

    DETROIT -- A few thoughts on the Chicago Bears' 40-32 loss to the Detroit Lions:

    What it means: Chicago tried to downplay the significance of this game, calling it just another outing. But internally, several within the organization called this an important indicator of just how far the team had advanced. The Bears failed their most significant test to date in spectacular fashion, but the division title remains in reach. What’s important now is how the team reacts to the setback.

    Too much too early: The Bears allowed 27 points in the second quarter alone, marking the first time they’d given up that many in the second quarter since Dec. 21, 1985. Chicago gave up 26 in the second quarter to New England in 2010.

    The 27 points in the first half were the most they surrendered in a half since Dec. 18, 2011, when Seattle scored 31 points in the second half.

    Rush defense sinks Bears: Reggie Bush rushed for 112 yards on 11 attempts in the first half, including a 37-yard highlight-reel touchdown that gave Detroit a 30-13 lead.

    Bush’s production opened up Detroit’s offense and exposed vulnerabilities in Chicago’s defense. The Bears allowed Bush to gain too much yardage up the middle, and once he reached the second and third levels, he made defenders miss too easily. The absence ofHenry Melton might be more significant than expected.

    Points off Cutler: The Lions scored 17 points off Jay Cutler turnovers in seizing a 37-16 advantage as the third quarter expired.

    Nick Fairley returned a Cutler fumble four yards for a touchdown, while an underthrown pass intended for Brandon Marshall resulted in a Glover Quin interception that set up aCalvin Johnson touchdown. In the first quarter, Louis Delmas snagged one of his two interceptions on a pass intended for Alshon Jeffery. That interception, which didn’t appear to be Cutler’s fault, set up a David Akers field goal.

    Tillman ailing: Playing with an injured knee and groin, cornerback Charles Tillman held Johnson to three catches for 25 yards and a touchdown in the first half but appeared to be in discomfort. Tillman left in the second quarter, was replaced by Zack Bowman and returned after halftime, only to be pulled again. Tillman’s health remains an issue.

    What’s next: With a few players banged up after Sunday’s game, it’s likely coach Marc Trestman gives the Bears a day off before bringing them back Wednesday as the club prepares to host the New Orleans Saints.
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    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/recap?gameId=330929008

    Reggie Bush carries Lions past Jay Cutler, turnover-plagued Bears
    Associated Press

    Lions Hand Bears First Loss

    DETROIT -- Reggie Bush was worried about how his banged-up left knee would hold up in his return.
    As it turned out, the Chicago Bears had plenty of concerns about the speedy, dual-threat running back they couldn't slow down.Bush's 37-yard touchdown run helped Detroit score 27 points in the second quarter and he accounted for 173 yards of offense to help the Lions beat Chicago 40-32 Sunday."I was a little nervous," Bush said of his knee after missing a game with the injury.Detroit (3-1) moved into a first-place tie with Chicago (3-1) in the NFC North.Bush had a season-high 139 yards rushing and a score on 18 carries, mostly up the middle as he took advantage of running lanes created against a line without defensive tackleHenry Melton."We felt like we could dominate the line of scrimmage in this game, especially after they lost a key player to injury," he said.The Lions scored 24 straight points, including three TDs in a span of 3 minutes, 26 seconds, after Matt Forte's 53-yard TD run gave the Bears 10-6 lead early in the second quarter.Detroit led 40-16 early in the fourth quarter and ended up needing that cushion.Jay Cutler, who had four turnovers, threw a pair of touchdown passes and 2-point conversions in the final 4 minutes to pull Chicago within eight points. Lions receiver Kris Durham recovered the onside kick to seal the win."There are no moral victories, but I thought our guys played tough for the last 30 minutes of that game," Chicago coach Mark Trestman said.Detroit had a big lead to work with thanks to positive plays it got from each facet of the game.Micheal Spurlock's 57-yard punt return set up Matthew Stafford's go-ahead TD with 6:09 left in the first half, when he recovered his own fumble on a 1-yard sneak. Stafford threw a 2-yard TD to Calvin Johnson on the Lions' next possession, one play after safety Glover Quinreturned Cutler's second interception for 42 yards."This wasn't a one-man victory," Stafford said.Bush, though, just as he did in his Detroit debut in a Week 1 win over Minnesota, was the star of the day.He burst through a huge hole and hurdled safety Major Wright to give the Lions a 30-10 lead, their highest scoring first half in franchise history against Chicago, showing they didn't miss Nate Burleson very much. Burleson, the team's No. 2 receiver, broke his left arm in a one-car accident last Tuesday.Stafford completed 23 of 35 passes for 242 yards with a TD, an interception and a lost fumble.Cutler hurt the Bears opportunity to come back late in the third quarter when an up-for-grabs pass was picked off by safety Louis Delmas, who had two interceptions for the first time in his five-year career.Stafford, though, turned the ball over again to give Chicago a chance -- briefly. His low pass intended for Johnson inside the Bears 10 was kicked up in the air and intercepted by Wright.Three snaps later, Ndamukong Suh sacked Cutler for a second time and forced a fumble that fellow defensive tackle Nick Fairley recovered and returned 4 yards for a score that put Detroit up 37-16 late in the third.Cutler entered the game with a 7-1 record with the Bears against the Lions in large part because he had thrown only one interception.He tripled that total in one afternoon, fumbled for a fourth turnover and was sacked three times after being taken down that many times combined in three games this season."Any quarterback, you hit him enough times, I'm sure they'll get rattled," Fairley said. "I think we hit him enough times to rattle him, but he didn't show it."Cutler, who was 27 of 47 for 317 yards, rallied with a 14-yard TD pass to Alshon Jeffery with 4 minutes left and a 2-yard conversion pass to the same receiver that pulled Chicago within 16 points."I felt good about my decision making," he said. "I just missed some throws."Cutler connected on some more later, but it was too late. He threw a 10-yard TD pass toEarl Bennett with 43 seconds left and found Brandon Marshall for a 2-point conversion that made it 40-32, making a game that was lopsided for much of the game appear to be close."Three picks and a fumble, it's hard to come back from," Cutler acknowledged.

    Game notes


    Lions CB Rashean Mathis left the game in the first half with a concussion and didn't return, and CB Chris Houston didn't finish the game because of a leg injury, Schwartz said. ... Forte finished with 95 yards rushing on 14 carries.---AP NFL website: www.pro32.ap.org
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    http://www.hubarkush.com/2013/09/29/lions-score-27-in-2nd-quarter-beat-bears-40-32/aam4f5s/

    Lions score 27 in 2nd quarter, beat Bears 40-32
    By AP Sports Writer LARRY LAGE (AP) - Sunday, September 29, 2013 3:49 p.m. CDT

    Chicago Bears running back Matt Forte (22) breaks for a 53-yard touchdown during the second quarter of an NFL football game against the Detroit Lions at Ford Field in Detroit, Sunday, Sept. 29, 2013. (AP Photo/Jose Juarez) (Jose Juarez)
    DETROIT (AP) — Reggie Bush's return more than made up for the loss of Nate Burleson.

    Bush's 37-yard touchdown run helped Detroit score 27 points in the second quarter and he accounted for 173 yards of offense to help the Lions beat the Chicago Bears 40-32 on Sunday.

    Detroit (3-1) moved into a first-place tie with Chicago (3-1) in the NFC North. The Lions scored 24 straight points, including three TDs in a span of 3 minutes, 26 seconds, after Matt Forte's 53-yard TD run gave the Bears 10-6 lead early in the second quarter.

    Jay Cutler, who had four turnovers, threw a pair of touchdown passes and 2-point conversions in the final 4 minutes to pull Chicago within eight points to make the score look respectable.

    Lions receiver Kris Durham recovered the onside kick to seal the win.

    Detroit had a huge cushion to work with thanks to positive plays it got from each facet of the game.

    Micheal Spurlock's 57-yard punt return set up Matthew Stafford's go-ahead TD with 6:09 left in the first half, when he recovered his own fumble on a 1-yard sneak. Stafford threw a 2-yard TD to Calvin Johnson on the Lions' next possession, one play after safety Glover Quin returned Jay Cutler's second interception for 42 yards.

    Bush burst through a huge hole and hurdled safety Major Wright to give the Lions a 30-10 lead, their highest scoring first half in franchise history against Chicago, showing they didn't miss Burleson very much. Burleson, the team's No. 2 receiver, broke his left arm in a one-car accident last Tuesday.

    After missing a game with a banged-up left knee, the speedy running back looked very healthy. Bush had a season-high 139 yards rushing and a score on 18 carries, taking advantage of running lanes against a line without defensive tackle Henry Melton. He also had four receptions for 34 yards.

    Stafford completed 23 of 35 passes for 242 yards with a TD, an interception and a lost fumble.

    His fumble put Chicago in a position to kick a field goal to make it 30-13 at halftime. The Bears kicked another field goal midway through the third quarter to pull within two TDs.

    Cutler hurt the Bears opportunity to come back when his up-for-grabs pass was picked off by safety Louis Delmas, who had two interceptions for the first time in his five-year career.

    Stafford, though, turned the ball over again to give Chicago a chance — briefly. His low pass intended for Johnson inside the Bears 10 was kicked up in the air and intercepted by Wright.

    Three snaps later, Ndamukong Suh sacked Cutler for a second time and forced a fumble that fellow defensive tackle Nick Fairley recovered and returned 4 yards for a score that put Detroit up 37-16 late in the third.

    Cutler entered the game with a 7-1 record with the Bears against the Lions in large part because he had thrown only one interception.

    He tripled that total in one afternoon, fumbled for a fourth turnover and was sacked three times after being sacked that many times combined in three games this season.

    Cutler was 27 of 47 for 317 yards with a 14-yard TD pass to Alshon Jeffery with 4 minutes left and a 2-yard conversion pass to the same receiver that pulled Chicago within 16 points.

    He threw a 10-yard TD pass to Earl Bennett with 43 seconds left and connected with Brandon Marshall for a 2-point conversion that made it 40-32, making a game that was lopsided for much of the game appear to be close.
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    This was going to be a heavy load for the "D" even if the offense wasn't led by "Bad Jay" today. But "Bad Jay" just killed any chances for the "D" to survive a solid Detroit offense. I'm just as fed up with "Bad Jay" as I was with "Bad Rex" --- they both kill us in big games. I think some of the Grossman DNA is in Cutler. He's not as bad as Rex, but he's got the disease all the same.
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    Here's what we learned:

    The chatter about extending Cutler's contract mid-season is over.
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    Ya Cutler is a clear upgrade over Rex, but that's not enough to get you to, and win a SB w/out a special D and St's.

    Again for as "bad" as the D was, they really held that Det O to 24 points if Cutler doesn't fumble the ball and throw 3 picks, and the ST's doesn't set Det up at the 1 the Bears D looks much better.


    Btw, for all those that were hating on Forte for not having a good enough game in week 1, where are all those people complaining about Marshal, on 14 targets he caught 7 balls. This is supposed to be the Bears elite #1 goto WR. None of the WR's were great(TE was okay and Forte was money) but none are paid like Marshal is either.
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    I don't know what we're going to do at QB now. I was so hoping that "Bad Jay" was gone forever. He's good enough to win a lot of games for us. He's not somebody you can count on in big games. It's heartbreaking. It's the "Bad Rex" gene. Not as dominant as it was in Rex Grossman, but don't kid yourself, Jay has the gene.

    I can't see mortgaging the farm (cap wise) to keep a QB who can't win the Big Dance for ya.
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    I was complaining last week there were too many run plays up the middle and this week I don't think they took advantage of Forte enough. I agree that the majority (including Marshall) were not catching the passes either. Jay was certainly bad this week, but it would be nice to see the recievers pick up a few tough passess. Alshon had a decent day. I don't think the interception was his fault. He had two defenders on him and Jay passed it to him.
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    We need to keep perspective. Basically, yes we saw his old tendencies. But they had been getting less until he got brought into his "uncomfort" zone again. With more time in his comfort zone and continued sweet talking by our QB whisperer, it is possible he will still get better. I also was hoping that it was behind us, but it is not unreasonable to expect a setback. Unfortunately, it is also not unreasonable to expect no real progress. We just have to see what happens. I am just as disappointed as anyone, but not ready to throw him out until the end of the year.

    Besides, we could all decide he needs to go, but unless Trestman and Emery see it the same way, nothing is going to happen.
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    Houston,
    We have absolutely no where to go but stick with Cutler this year. I don't know why they put a uniform on McClown, we would be better off having Garza snap it to himself if Cutler went down. You are right this is one game out of 4 so far. We shouldn't be on a witch hunt but I think everyone believes we could have won that game. The Lions clearly beat us and Jay let us down. If he pulls this off a couple of more times this year I would rather not renew his contract or freeze him as a franchise player. Put all the chips on red and draft a rookie qb next year. The money saved on Jay can be used for some linemen.
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