Chi v GB what we learned

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    Henry and I have been fighting and fighting and fighting about what this team needed to do to win, well you saw it tonight, at least in part. A 9 min drive to keep the D off the field until it was to late for the GB O to really create a drive and look at that, the Bears won.

    Chicago O: I'll give credit were it's do, McCown looked okay, ya not great, sorry but 50% comp is not great, but he did look good. And the coaches had seen enough that when the game was on the line they took the ball out of his hands and let the rb's do the work. All the same he did look good, and it screams about what Trestman can do w/a qb, McCown said he'd never been more prepared to start a game then this week under trestman, and it showed. Trestman really is the QB whisperer, imaging what he could do w/a young talented qb! Forte, Marshal, Jeffery all stepped up big time, and we even saw Bush make some plays. The speculation of Garza's demise seem exagerated at this point, and the OL did look good. Forte actaully ended up w/more yards then Lacy, not rushing but rush/pass and that's all that really matters. Wanna know how the team started? 3 min drive TD, 1min drive punt, 3 min drive punt, 3 min drive TD 1min drive punt, 4 min drive fg in the first half. See how much better the D can look when they aren't on the field? That being said they still looked like shit, but when they aren't on the field the entire first half they look a lot better. That stumbled in the 3rd and GB got back into it, but was finished off w/a 9 min drive and the Team pulled it off. It allowed the O to control ToP 33 to 26, Henry and I have been saying this is exactly what the O needed and they did it.

    Chicago D: Finally they showed up a little from the DL, and all it took was taking out the QB. Finally the DL got some pressure. But the LB's and Safeties still looked bad. our Rookie LB's were out of place and so were the vet safeties, the D is bad folks, they just don't have the horses, but they did step up, got a few sacks and got a TO or two. Special thanks to Peppers and Shea w/huge sacks and a int. I've as critical of Shea as I have of McCown and Cutler, but again credit where it's due, he finally showed up and stepped up big. They still couldn't stop a RB, 200 yards+ rushing? Really?!?!? REALLY?!?!?

    Chicago ST's: man what a mixed bag, Hester looked pretty good at times, Gould is Gould, but a blocked punt? A missed onside kick? It wasn't pretty.

    Chicago Coaches: I think we see what Trestman's O can look like when the QB isn't to aggressive, but it did faulter in the 3rd qtr. I mocked the idea that Tucker was down on the field for the first time, but did it matter? Maybe the fact that Peppers and Tillman got 2 weeks off allowed them to finally catch their breath and get fully healthy, but all the same, I hope Tuck stays down there.

    GB O: Well w/out Rodgers you see the opposite of a vet qb, and the standard of what most do, they look like crap, but it doesn't help a qb when you have no one worth a damn to throw to, and he didn't, it just goes to show how absolutely great Rodgers is. Lacy is an absolute stud, and Starks is a hell of a backup. But their OL is awfull.

    GB D: They are solid, and were the, what, 4th rated rush D? But that's proves that stats can lie, b/c when in a close game or behind they couldn't stop the Bears from running. Their pass D isn't all that great either. Again it's makes a D a whole lot better when you have Rodgers giving you a huge lead....this D is over rated imo and I think Trestman is going to have a field day w/it.

    GB ST's: that onside K in the 3rd right after a TD was really nice, and you saw a kicker that understood how to do a kick, hope Gould looks at that tape.

    GB coaches: hard to knock the coaches, they just don't have the horses, and if you don't believe that matters, for those that have blasted Tucker, well take a look at how bad the GB O looked w/out Rodgers and w/out a bunch of starting quality WR's to bail out their backup, it makes a difference and you saw it on the opposite side of the field for a change.
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    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331104009

    Bears get rare win at Lambeau as Packers lose QB Aaron Rodgers

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    GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The Chicago Bears have a better insurance policy than Aaron Rodgersand the Green Bay Packers.

    Josh McCown, playing in place of the injured Jay Cutler, threw for two touchdowns Monday night as the Bears won 27-20 and ended a six-game skid to their NFC North rivals. The loss snapped Green Bay's four-game winning streak, but the far larger concern is the health of Rodgers, who hurt his left (non-throwing) shoulder when he was sacked on the first series by Shea McClellin.

    Rodgers took a few warm-up throws with backup Seneca Wallace but, after being examined by medical staff, ran into the Green Bay locker room. He wasn't seen again until midway through the third quarter, when he came back onto the field in sweats. Though he waved to fans with his right hand, and didn't appear to be wearing a brace, he kept his left hand jammed in his pocket.

    The win pulls the Bears into a three-way tie for first in the NFC North with Green Bay and Detroit, all at 5-3. The loss spoiled another big night by Green Bay rookie Eddie Lacy, who ran for 150 yards and a touchdown.

    Green Bay has been hit hard by injuries, withJames Jones (knee) returning Monday night after a two-game absence and sackmaster Clay Matthews (thumb) and tight end Jermichael Finley still out. Wide receiver Randall Cobb (leg) is also on the injured list-designated to return.

    But there are injuries and then there are INJURIES, and a hurt Aaron Rodgers is Green Bay's ultimate nightmare.

    With the 2011 NFL MVP almost as durable as predecessor Brett Favre -- he hasn't missed a game due to injury since Dec. 19, 2010 -- the backup quarterback has been little more than an afterthought in Green Bay. But as the Bears know all too well, insurance policies are worth every penny when you need them.

    After a series of forgettable backups under Lovie Smith -- Caleb Hanie or Jonathan Quinn, anyone? -- the Bears signed McCown when Cutler was hurt two years ago. He played well enough then to stick around, and his familiarity with his receivers and coach Marc Trestman's system was evident. McCown may not have been dazzling, going 22 for 41 for 272 yards. But he mixed his passes effectively to Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery and Matt Forte, and Forte ran roughshod on the Green Bay defense -- scoring one touchdown.

    Jeffery had five catches for 60 yards, including a 6-yard grab for the go-ahead touchdown at the end of the third quarter. Marshall, largely shut down in two games against Green Bay last year, had seven catches for 107 yards and a score. Forte ran for 125 yards, and also had 54 yards receiving.

    Better yet, McCown didn't do anything to hurt the Bears, which is more than Wallace can say.

    Wallace hadn't played a game since the 2011 season finale, and the rust was evident. He was intercepted on his very first series by Julius Peppers and was sacked twice, once by Peppers and once by McClellin. The Packers had a second-and-goal from the Bears 5 late in the third quarter and were forced to settle for Mason Crosby's 23-yard field goal after Wallace overthrew James Jones and Andrew Quarless. Green Bay would get no further than the Bears 39 the rest of the game.

    Wallace finished 11 of 19 for 114 yards.
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/2013-week-9-chi-at-gb-rapid-reaction

    Rapid Reaction: Chicago Bears
    November, 4, 2013
    NOV 4
    11:43
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    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com

    What it means: Playing without starting quarterback Jay Cutler, the Bears forced a three-way tie atop the NFC North with the win over the Green Bay Packers. Because they lost at Detroit on Sept. 29, the Bears technically sit at second place, despite owning the same 5-3 record. The victory sets up a showdown against the Lions on Sunday for sole possession of first place in the NFC North.

    Stock up: Matt Forte put together his first 100-yard outing of the season, rushing for 125 yards (with 179 yards from scrimmage). Forte has rushed 216 yards over Chicago's past two games for a 5.4-yard average. He made several key runs down the stretch, and had the presence of mind to stay inbounds at the end of the runs to keep the clock moving.

    McClellin sack makes difference: Second-year defensive end Shea McClellin produced his first career three-sack game against the Packers, but it was his first sack of the night that undoubtedly affected the outcome. McClellin collected his first full sack of the season (he posted a half sack in Week 1) at the end of Green Bay's first possession, and the play knocked Aaron Rodgers out of the game with an injured shoulder.

    McClellin dropped Rodgers for a 3-yard loss on third-and-8 from the Chicago 9, and as the quarterback tumbled to the turf, the defensive end and nickel corner Isaiah Frey crashed down on him. Rodgers immediately went into the locker room, and team officials declared him out.

    Seneca Wallace filled in and compiled a passer rating of 37 in the first half.

    Confidence in McCown warranted: Bears coach Marc Trestman said all last week he wouldn't scale back the offense for backup quarterback Josh McCown, and he certainly didn't. The veteran quarterback operated the full scope of the scheme, and did it at a high level, completing 22 of 41 passes for 272 yards, two touchdowns and, most importantly, no turnovers.

    McCown displayed unshakable poise in the pocket -- especially on the 23-yard touchdown pass to Brandon Marshall in the first quarter when it appeared he was about to suffer a sack -- and made smart decisions with the football.

    The Bears expect Jay Cutler back on Sunday against the Lions, but they'd definitely be in good hands if they had to go forward with McCown as the starter.

    What's next: The Bears will take Tuesday off before beginning preparations for Sunday's clash with the Detroit Lions at Soldier Field.
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    http://www.hubarkush.com/2013/11/05/for-starters-mccown-gives-bears-options/ad0qzh0/?page=2

    For starters, McCown gives Bears options
    By TOM MUSICK – tmusick@shawmedia.com - Monday, November 4, 2013 10:41 p.m. CST

    FILE - In this Oct. 20, 2013 file photo, Chicago Bears quarterback Josh McCown talks with head coach Marc Trestman during an NFL football game against the Washington Redskins in Landover, Md. During the game, McCown led the Bears to a 24-point second half when pressed into service to replace injured Jay Cutler, but he had no preparation time in that one. Now, after a couple weeks to get ready to face the Green Bay Packers on Monday, Nov. 4, McCown expects to be ready to produce against a defense that has always given Cutler fits. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon File) (Alex Brandon)
    GREEN BAY, Wis. – Maybe Jay Cutler knew something.
    Less than an hour before kickoff Monday at Lambeau Field, where the Bears win games about once every housing crisis, a message popped up on computer screens near and far.
    “Bears injured QB Jay Cutler plans to return this week and, barring no setback, start vs. Lions on Sunday, per team source,” ESPN’s Chris Mortensen wrote on his Twitter page.
    Hmm.
    Strange timing.
    But then the Bears’ offense played one of its smartest, most efficient games in recent memory in a 27-20 win against the Green Bay Packers, and veteran backup Josh McCown looked perfectly capable behind center. Suddenly, it hit me.
    Oh.
    Maybe Cutler needs the Bears as much as the Bears need Cutler.
    If you have cable TV and a couple of decent brain cells, you recognized the early-onset weirdness of Monday’s game. State Farm spokesman (and the NFL’s best quarterback) Aaron Rodgers was knocked out of the game after a sack by much-maligned defensive end Shea McClellin, of all people, during the opening drive. Rodgers was replaced by Seneca Wallace, whose nickname might have been Rusty if it weren’t taken by an old racecar driver.
    Also, Julius Peppers came out of retirement to deflect and intercept a pass.
    Also, an old high school coach lined up at quarterback and ran the Bears’ offense with ease.
    Go ahead and forget the Bears’ porous run defense and special-teams meltdowns, at least for the next 400 words or so. One of the most compelling storylines to emerge for the Bears in front of a hostile crowd and a national TV audience was the performance of McCown, and what it might mean for next week, and next season, and the seasons beyond.
    Like many, I expected the “M” in the backup quarterback’s last name to stand for Mediocre.
    But if this was a babysitter for the offense, I hope he charged way more than $10 an hour.
    On his first pass, McCown stood in the pocket and fired a spiral to Brandon Marshall for 12 yards and a first down. McCown found Marshall again a few plays later for a pickup of 19, and he somehow escaped pressure in the pocket to heave a highlight-reel touchdown pass to Marshall to close out the drive and give the Bears an early lead.
    McCown wasn’t finished.
    The 34-year-old with two starts since 2008 spread the ball around the field as if he were wearing No. 12 for the other guys. By game’s end, he had connected with five receivers including Marshall (seven receptions), Alshon Jeffery (5), Matt Forte (5), Martellus Bennett (4) and even Michael Bush (1), who tucked the ball against his pads and bulldozed A.J. Hawk with a hit so hard that it knocked off the linebacker’s helmet.
    The only thing missing? Killer mistakes.
    You know, the kind that we’ve come to expect from Cutler at Lambeau Field.
    Remember last season, when Cutler threw four interceptions in a 23-10 loss to the Packers? Or 2010, when he completed only 21 of 39 passes with no touchdowns and a pair of picks? How about 2009, when he threw four more interceptions and posted a 43.2 passer rating in his nationally televised Bears debut?
    Not only did McCown outplay the Cutler of Lambeau Visits Past, but he made a case for being the best quarterback to face the Packers on their home turf this season. The Packers’ defense contained Robert Griffin III, pounced on Matthew Stafford and graciously accepted a pile of gifts from Brandon Weeden, but they could not outfox the Bears’ old-timer.
    Back to Cutler.
    The point here is not to pile on the Bears’ franchise quarterback, whose résumé is filled with big plays and comeback wins and an ill-fated trip to the NFC championship game in 2010. But if Marc Trestman’s offense is equally (or more) effective with a smart (and cheap) veteran running the offense instead of a $100 million man, then why not explore the option?
    Give McCown another start against the Lions next week to see what he can do.
    Let Cutler rest.
    Because, Lambeau visits aside, the Bears likely will need Cutler late in the season.
    And Cutler most certainly will need the Bears.
    • Northwest Herald sports columnist Tom Musick can be reached at tmusick@shawmedia.com and on Twitter @tcmusick.
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    McCown was as flawless as you could ask a backup to be (so much for saying he wasn't NFL worthy, Ric).
    Trestman called a phenomenal game.
    Forte made huge runs in the 2nd half.
    Oh, and the D for once (while still sucking against the run) actually got to the QB.

    Before you give all the credit to the O for ball control, Ric, remember the D actually got stops and pressured the QB.
    Yes, I loved that last drive that sealed the game too.
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    flawless? He was 50%, that's not flawless, he looked good, but he wasn't flawless by anymeans. The O in the 3rd qtr damn near let GB back into the game b/c he couldn't complete a pass. I gave him a ton of credit, he played well over his head, but he was far from flawless, even for a backup.
    But again, give trestman all the credit, this guy really is a qb whisperer, every guy he's ever coached has played way better under him then they did before him. The man is truly a great QB and O minded coach.

    Ya the D got stops, but that's b/c they weren't gassed by the 2nd qtr. When and where the O makes plays matters. Again go back to the 3rd qtr, the Bears O couldn't get/stay on the field, and GB came back b/c the D isn't that good. Definately played well better then they had all year though.
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    So McCown operates the offense to create a 9 minute drive to end the game, and you focus on his 50% completions. C'mon, man. That is the most grudgingly given complement I've read in a while.

    McCown played great tonight. He's not Peyton Manning. He's our backup QB, and he just managed to beat the Green Bay Packers with a piss poor defense and no special teams help.
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    Just got out of LF it was a great game and finally seeing the Bears beat the Packers at LF was great. I got see a lot of my old team mates and the win just made it a great trip.
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    No st help? No D help? 5 sacks, an int is piss poor D? Who knocked out Rodgers, was that McCown and the O? Didn't Hester give them good field position all night? Did Gould miss a fg today? This was a total vicotry.

    I didn't focus on his 50%, someone claimed he was flawless and that simply isn't true. McCown looked really good tonight, but some of his passes were awful also, and it created multiple stalled drives, which if you've been paying attention, regardless of qb, I've been saying this O cannot do b/c this D is awful and cannot be allowed to be put on the field time and time again.
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    Lot's of opinions on McCown. I honestly am surprised to see myself typing that I am happy he is our backup QB. I thought he played a great game.
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    lucky you, glad you got to see a Bears win up there.
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    Did you see the run defense we sported? The onside kick we allowed? The blocked punt? Did Hester score? Did the defense score? We have come to depend on the defense scoring to win games.

    Who showed up, on prime time Monday Night Football, in Lambeau Field, and did not shit the bed like so many other QB's have this season? You complained about his inability to move the ball in the 3rd quarter. Would you have been more satisfied if he tried to do too much and threw some picks in there to spice things up?

    You've brought up his completion percentage in your initial comment, "McCown looked okay, ya not great, sorry but 50% comp is not great" which is what I was responding to. You referenced it again afterwards. Were you expecting him to throw a 70% completion game tonight? If he was capable of that, he wouldn't be a backup quarterback, man.
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    I agree. May be the best this year, but still not great.
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    ST's doesn't have to score, they gave the O field position inside their own territory, and good position all night.

    Ya the Rush D sucked, but the Pass D was pretty on point, again 5 sacks a int and only 115 yards passing, and only 300 combined yards. Again this is a shitty D if you had said, backup qb or not, that the D would hold the GB O to 300 yards and 20 points I would have laughed.

    I'm not complaining, you are giving false praise. McCown isn't the only great player on O tonight, Forte was huge, the WR's made amazing catches. McCown was GOOD, but 50% comp is laughable in todays NFL. Great he didn't throw a pick, that's huge b/c that's what the backup HAS to do.

    Ya I expect an NFL qb to complete 60 %, how dare I, seeing as that's AVERAGE in todays NFL.
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    He took care of the ball better than Cutler usually does. I didn't see him miss many open receivers. A lot of his misses were throw-aways or closely guarded receivers. I'd rather see him miss safe than throw INT or take sack/fumbles like Cutler.
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    he missed a few, I'm not going to blame him for that, and he had a few near int's, but I won't blame him for that either. I think the fact that he protected the ball better then Cutler is a HUGE inditement on Cutler, and has been my major complaint about Cutler form the time the Bears traded for him, and why I'm not 100% convinced he's back next year. When the team is going to be a O first team, you cannot afford to have a qb that is reckless w/the ball b/c your D will not be in a position to get the ball back.

    Again McCown looked okay, he played good, whatever word you want to use, minus Great or flawless. In today's NFL 50% isn't great or flawless, even for a backup.

    The D really played well for the first time all year though, 5 sacks is huge, they had 9 all year, and got 50% more in 1 game. They got another huge int, and had a few more fumbles that didn't bounce their way. But part of that was b/c the O controlled the clock and ToP, when they didn't you saw the D start to break, primarily in the 3rd qtr.

    And again so much credit for Trestman, the guy is a damned O and QB genius, McCown said he'd never been more prepared for a game, and it showed. The guy simply makes any qb he coaches the best they can possibly be, it's uncanny. This is like having Bellecheck, or Parcells, or Sherman(laugh, but look at the how good the backups were behind Farve).
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    One of the things I really liked about his play was his progressions. He did well there. Cutler does not do very well there.
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    The pass D? They were playing against a QB that hadn't thrown a ball in an NFL game since 2011. Someone who did not take one preseason snap in a Green Bay uniform. I should hope they could play him better than Rodgers.

    Forte is a starter caliber RB in the NFL who makes 8 million a year. Marshall is a starter that makes 9 million. Yeah, I expect them to perform. McCown is a backup that makes league minimum. That's the difference.

    Have you seen the caliber of backup caliber play? Damn, have you seen Brandon Weeden play? Or Gabbart? Those teams would kill for 22 out of 41 passes, two TDs and zero interceptions.

    Dude, you are totally complaining about McCown.
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    You expected Forte to get 100 plus yards(his first this year) against the 4th ranked rush D in the league? I call bs.

    Kasey Keenan, 59% comp, rookie 1st game ever. Geno Smith Rookie 58% comp, Nick Foles, 61%, 2nd year. M Glennon, 70% comp %...hell I'll go to Soul's huge mancrush, Jason Campbell, 65%.

    So ya, bunch of rookie backups in todays NFL can get into the high 50's, near 60's. And guys that have been in the league a few years can get into the 60's. Have YOU been watching the backups this year? This NFL w/the rules so easy for the O and the qb's and wr's there is no reason for a low 50%'s comp.

    No you are forcing an issue that shouldn't be one. I complimented McCown on running a O that is EXACTLY what the Bears need to have the O run like b/c of how bad the D is. You've complained about the 1 thing I complained about, way to focus on the negative and ignore the compliments. McCown did EXACTLY what was needed, but to act like he was FLAWLESS?!?!? no he wasn't, and most qb's aren't...and most arent' going to be, and it's not required to win, as in tonight.

    btw, I thought you have always said it's important to have a nfl experienced backup Qb b/c they know how to play and are proven? SWallace does fit that mold doesn't he?? How you are talking about him is the EXACT way i spoke about McCown, but he was actually out of the NFL. Make up your mind will you.
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    eh, wouldnt go that far..had a couple of good returns, but also had quite a few where we were behind the 20.

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