Chi v Was what we learned

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  1. kevperro

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    Talking of managing the clock.... why the hell were we passing the ball on the 5-yard line with four downs to punch it in and 3:47 left on the clock? Our defense was decimated at that point so why not work some time off the clock rather than throwing the ball?
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    11:28101:54CHI 2638Punt
    08:30101:27WAS 40518Field Goal
    06:51100:49WAS 10210Touchdown
    13:44200:17WAS 2910Intercepted Pass
    13:27201:44CHI 2536Punt
    10:09201:21CHI 4535Punt
    06:15200:00CHI 19181Touchdown
    00:27200:27CHI 361-1End of Half

    The FG the was b/c D held the Wash O to 1 yard on 3 plays and gave the Bears O the ball at the Wash 40.
    The TD came off D INT

    Those 10 points came off a whopping 28 yards of O.

    The next 7 points were thanks to the ST's and Hester.

    The rest of the O in the first half consisted of 8 yards, 0 yards, 6 yards 5 yards...but the O is holding it's own? The only time it scored(much like in the past years) was b/c the Bears D set them up w/short field position. Anytime the O was asked(in the first half) to put together a real drive it failed. And the Bears D were right back on the field in under 2 min's. But that's the D's fault they were gassed?

    15:00103:32WAS 20760Field Goal
    09:34100:54WAS 130Punt
    07:03100:12WAS 2010Intercepted Pass
    06:02107:18WAS 201380Touchdown
    11:43201:34WAS 313-9Punt
    08:48202:56WAS 6522Punt
    05:52205:25WAS 261174Touchdown


    wash's O in the first, 3 long drives, 1 to open the game, then punt, int, long drive TD, punt punt long drive td. The Bears D couldn't get off the field? They made them punt 3 times and turned the ball over 1x. Maybe if the Bears O could have moved the ball more then 18 yards at a time the D wouldn't have had to be out there so much, and then less likely to give up the long drives.


    THAT'S the problem w/the O constantly gettting off to slow starts, it gasses and already hurt and old Def.
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    No, the defense lost the game this week. I do not give them a pass. We need an overhaul like the oline this spring.
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    What we learned:

    From here on out, we're gonna have to score fast and early in between 30 and 40 points a game and hope the D gets a key stop here and there.
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    Now look at the 2nd half:

    15:00305:27CHI 201264Missed FG
    08:06301:32CHI 20380Touchdown
    03:19305:35CHI 11989Touchdown
    08:39402:12CHI 3533Punt
    06:27402:30CHI 33467Touchdown
    00:45400:45CHI 38311End of Game

    5 min drive(missed FG, how big was that?), 5 min TD, 2 min TD, 1 min TD. But by this time the D was gassed and it didn't matter:

    09:33301:15WAS 2439Punt
    06:34303:15WAS 17883Touchdown
    12:44401:49WAS 20580Touchdown
    08:30401:51WAS 1933Punt
    03:57403:12WAS 201280Touchdown

    2 3 min drives, 1 1 min scoring drive.

    The O and D played the Skins even in the 2nd half(Bears should have scored more then them if Gould hits is FG) but b/c the O didn't hold their own in the first the D was to beat down to hold the Skins in the 2nd.


    Yes the D lost this game, no doubt, but the O cannot keep putting the D on the field early like they are. This D is not good enough to win games on it's own anymore, it needs the O to protect them.
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    Those are excellent reasons why our defense sucks this year lol. I've been making the injuries argument for awhile. Losing two tackles is tough and even though Melton wasn't playing great he would be much better than what we're seeing now.

    Having said that I think its a little unrealistic to expect this offense to just march up and down the field every time they touch the ball. Its unrealistic to expect them to come out and drive 80 yards from the moment they step on the field. Its becoming more and more obvious that in order for us to win they are going to have to start doing that.

    Even after everything we saw today from both sides of the ball we SHOULD have won. If the guys on defense step up and make one stop its a different game. Oh well its back to the drawing board. Got a bye week and its then we'll see if we can hold Green Bay under 50 lol
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    I agree, you cannot expect it all the time, but it needs to be earlier in the game before they finally start to do it. It cannot be 3 and out, 3 and out, oh the D got a turn over in the other teams territory, quick score, int, D held them and we got a short field, another quick score, 3 and out....

    This D is to old and beat up to not have the O taking 2-3-4 min's off the clock in the 1st and 2nd qtr to help them stay fresh. That's all I'm saying. I'm not making excuses or saying the O didn't pull their share in this game. But what I am saying is that the O now needs to protect the D like the D used to protect the O. And that means sustaining drives early.
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    "This D is not good enough to win games on it's own anymore, it needs the O to protect them"

    That is a tough task when you consider that we've got a new o line (playing well) and a new offense that I'm sure we haven't scratched the surface of. What we're lacking on offense is what we've lacked for the last few years. Continuity and reps. All the great offensive teams who move the ball at will and are able to protect their defense are all teams who have been stable on offense. Look at the years their QBs have been in the same system. They can convert a third in 3 in their sleep cause everyone is on the same page.

    This year we needed the defense to be the stability while the offense found its legs. What we're seeing is that the offense is now being asked to protect the defense. Putting up 41 points seems like pretty damn good protection but I guess they need to do more. Long drives to keep the defense on the side line and make sure we end each drive with a TD cause you aint protecting your defense when you're kicking field goals. This season got flipped, turned upside down and I'd like to take a min just sit right there and I'll tell ya how I became the prince of a town called Bel-air lol
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    I think you saw in the 2nd half, what this O can do, and there is no reason it cannot do that in the 1st half. I'm not talking owning ToP for 18-20 min's, but keeping it close, having a ToP of 12-15 min's would help this D tremendously in the 2nd half.

    I agree we needed the D to be stable, but when you lose your starting and backup DT for a cover 2, that just isn't going to happen; and the gameplan has to change now and the O needs to get established sooner.

    Again the O did score 41 points, but 20 of those points were a direct result of the D and ST's; lets not kid ourselves into thinking the O was doing anything in the 1/2 half, they weren't and their Scores were b/c of the D, not b/c they were doing anything special; again their longest drive was a whopping 18 yards.
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    I agree. Bears need to play power football. Give Forte more carries and get Bush involved, also. Instead of all these WR screens, run old-fashioned screen to Forte, Run draw play once in awhile. Gamble more, too. I liked the onside kick. On defense, Tillman needs to keep his receiver in front of him, knowing he won't get any help deep from Conte. Actually, I want to bench Conte, Peppers, and McClellin and play the rookies. I don't know whether that would help, but I'd like to see.
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    I don't think you'll see them bench Peppers, I heard he's actually doing a lot of things that stats don't cover that are there to help the other players on D. Heard Matt Bowen talking about it, and there was an article about it on this site. At this point I think you just have to move Cohen to starting DT and get Wootton back to DE and give some of Shea's reps to someone else, CornWash or otherwise.
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    Btw, Bositc looked really good against the run, but a lot of passes over the middle, in this Cover 2, should be the MLB's responsibility, and Bostic was getting owned in that regard.
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    I like to see them give the ball the Matt more myself. From what I've seen when we do try that early its not there. It looks like we have a hard time run blocking early in games. As the game wears on we're able to run better but its hard to tell if thats because we've thrown them out of box or if we're blocking better.
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    Part of running well, is just continuing to run, rarely are you going to have a RB that runs for 3-4 per carry. Most are going to struggle when the box is stacked, but eventually the RB will find a hole and break a big run, and you saw that today. But I think part of that was also b/c I don't think McCown is allowed to audible near as much as Cutler is, and the plays were getting run properly and it allowed Forte to have a big game. Forte is explosive, and like most RB's like that they need touches to get a "lather going". Limit the RB and he'll never get warmed up.

    But part of the problem is that teams are willing to let Cutler beat them, and continue to stack the box. Once McCown came in and showed he'd take what the D gave him, it loosened a lot of things up.
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    Quite honestly 50, I think it's accross the board. No pass rush, can't stop the run consistently, poor safety play, poor tackling, guys playing out of position, getting old & injuries. I also think they miss Urlacher's leadership. The worst part is I don't think they can fix it this year. It may take a few years to fix. Look for most every week to be a shoot out.
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    I agree with sticking to the run but there in lies a problem. If we run early and it doesn't work (it hasn't been) you're looking at putting the defense on the field. Its a double edged sword and a team game. We're not able to play as a team right now cause one side is being expected to do more than they are capable. The defense can't stop every drive and the offense can't score a TD on every drive. Hopefully it will get better but the injury bug has killed up thus far.
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    Last year the Bears gave up only 17.3 ppg -- nearly best in NFL. This year, we are near the worst. What the hell happened? Other teams have injuries, so that doesn't explain everything. Besides,asyou say, they weren't doing well even before all the injuries. We may be under-estimating the coaching element. Last year we hand two great defensive minds -- one off the field (Marineli) and one on the field (Urlacher). And this year? I'm starting to wonder.:(
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    I would be fine with power football especially with getting Bush involved. They should try a play I suggested a while back line up Forte at WR and Bush at RB or better yet BOTH at RB. Make the defense try to figure out whose going to get it.
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    I would agree with you on that but I would like to say that they need to be doing it in ALL four quarters no matter what the score is. The O didn't pull their weight today that is obvious.
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    Urlacher's leadership, Lack of Pass rush. Especially the Lack of Pass rush. That, more than anything is killing our Defense.

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