Chi vs NO's what we learned

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  1. riczaj01

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    I said before the game they needed a perfect game on O, no turn overs from Cutler, didn't expect Forte to also fumble, both did and it set the O back early on, and they spent all game catching up....the O and D are not so good that they can afford slow starts by either.

    Chicago O: 5 games, 1 so far w/no turn over by Cutler, that's just not good enough, not against the elite of the NFL. Forte had that fumble and it seemed NO's was willing to clog the middle, but he eventually caught on and had his usual decent game. Cutler also had a solid game after a slow start. Jeffery had a huge game, 2 in a row where Cutler relied on him and he showed up, what else can you ask for in a #2 WR in his 2nd year? Is he elite, is he going to be AJ Green or Calven Johnson, no, nor should anyone expect it since he wasn't a high draft pick, but he's a damn good #2, and if the D is going to shut down Forte and Marhsal, Jeffery will make you pay. The OL and the rest of the O struggled early b/c of the blitzes, but once the O forced the NO's D to back off some, they were able to get under control and slowly try and find a way to fight back. It's a shame they didn't have it figured out sooner.

    Chicago D: Actually didn't have a horrid game, got some pressure on Brees which isn't easy 2 sacks and 5 qb hits. they early on kept Sproles shut down, and kept the NO's run game under 70yards, where the D lacks in Pass D, they are pretty damn good against the Run. But as is the case w/NO's you cannot shut down Graham, and that opens up everyone else.

    Chicago ST's: Nothing special to say here, I thought Hester might have had a chance at a few big plays, but he's just not the same guy he once was, and the rules just don't allow it anymore. Tillman and Weems didn't help anything either.

    Chicago Coaches: Again the coaches seemed to take some time to get what was happening but eventually caught on to make the game close, but it was again to late.

    NO's O: If anyone was listening to 670 on Friday you heard Hub A talk about how Trestman worked as a consultant for NO's and Payton, and both have the same O theory. Trestman is going to try and build the Bears O like the Saints, and if he can do it, all credit goes to him. This O is so damn hard to stop, they can beat you w/their rb's, their te', their WR's. the RB's couldn't get it done via the run so they threw it to them and they helped NO's win w/2 td' rec's by Thomas.

    NO's D: What a difference a D Coordinator can make; Kenny V got burned a few times, but some say that he's going to allow Ryan to run a version of the 46 eventually he's got that kind of potential. And early on you saw the kind of pressure NO's can bring. No OL can protect against more blitzers then OLmen. But you also saw it's weakness, you have a qb that is willing to take small completions it can force that D to back off.

    NO's ST's, their FG kicker proved it's not that tough, apparently, to hit fg's in SF, 4-4 today, and the ball was constantly in the back of the endzone.
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    Yep. The coaches get what must be done, but they ran out of time. Same thing happened in the Detroit game.
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    learned that 3-0 was an aberration, soon to be a distant memory.

    Jeffrey goes off like never before, Jay has one of his finest statistical games in a Bears uniform &..........we were never in the game.
    Didn't expect a win today, but did expect a game and it wasn't. Very disheartening game to watch.

    So the Saints D gave up the most yards in the history of football last year and all they had to do was bring in Rob Ryan and now they're a top 10.
    You can't tell me that one off seasons worth of personnel changes is the difference. They did everything right when it mattered, we couldn't do anything right when it mattered. Ball game.
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    This DL cannot afford to get anymore inj's though, the DT is now worn out, to say it's paper thin at this point is a severe understatement. W/Melton down I thought Collins could step in, but w/Collins down that is a huge problem.
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    Confused me too..but it is what it is, and its not just us that have problems against their D.
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    Outside of the obvious things like the fact that this was one of the dumbest games I've watched the Bears play since Dick Jauron from headset to execution? I learned that for certain, as I already had strong suspicions, that Lance Briggs doesn't have what it takes to be a play-caller. Hand the reigns off and let him get back to playing the instinctive football after the snap that we all love.
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    We're going to need to see more of our running backs, to avoid having our defense on the field as long. A LOT more. Our passing game only gets a passing grade these last 2 weeks, because of "prevent defense"
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    the team needs more run plays to get more out of their rb's, again a week of sub 20 rush attempts, only 12 for Forte, and only 16 total touches for Forte on the day w/rush/rec. That's not enough, he needs to be in the mid 20's. Bush should also have a full series in a game, not just 2 rush attempts. Again while it might have looked like it, the game was never really out of reach and the team should have ran more.

    Drives again in the 1st:

    STARTQTRPOSS.YARDPLAYSYARDSRESULT
    15:00101:48CHI 2036Punt
    07:38100:11CHI 201-3Fumble
    06:00103:06CHI 20615Punt

    How? How does that happen still? little more then 5 min's in a 15 min qtr? It got not better in the 2nd though w/only about 6min's. This was a game where the O needed to keep Brees off the field, and they didn't, it didn't even look like they tried.


    They at least won the 3rd qtr, but only to finish the 4th w/little more then 1 min total in the 4th. The O needs to be better about getting at TOP, these kind of small short drives doesn't help your D.
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4686778/rapid-reaction-chicago-bears

    Rapid Reaction: Chicago Bears
    October, 6, 2013
    OCT 6
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    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com
    CHICAGO -- A few thoughts on the Chicago Bears 26-18 loss to the New Orleans Saints at Soldier Field:

    What it means: Chicago hasn’t lost two in a row since December of 2012, and now has to go into a short week with the sting of that on its minds. The Bears still aren’t where they want to be, but there’s no reason to panic, because the team continues to show signs of growth.

    Stock watch: Matt Forte's fumble on the first play from scrimmage short-circuited the team’s opening drive, and the play was typical of the type of day the team experienced early. Quarterback Jay Cutler suffered three sacks, and a fumble, leading to a Saints field goal. Despite a decent outing from Cutler, the protection early let him down, as did receivers. Earl Bennett's dropped ball on fourth down with 8:40 left, which would have converted a fourth-and-2 at the New Orleans 25, hurt Chicago’s chances for a rally.

    Injuries mounting: Starting defensive tackle Stephen Paea made the team’s list of inactives for Sunday’s game after being listed earlier in the week as questionable with a turf toe injury. Paea’s inactivity paved the way for Nate Collins and Landon Cohen to start against the Saints. But Collins, who posted his first career solo sack in the first half, left the game in the third quarter with a left knee injury, and was later declared out for the game.

    The team already lost three-technique defensive tackle Henry Melton with a torn ACL, and cornerback Charles Tillman has practiced only one day per week for the majority of the season because of a sore groin and knee.

    If Collins is forced out for an extended period, the Bears will likely wind up starting Cohen and Corey Wootton at tackle. The club will also be forced to look for more depth at the position on the waiver wire. It’s worth noting Chicago signed Cohen two days prior to the Sept. 29 loss to at Detroit.

    Postseason chances slightly diminished? Since the playoffs moved to the 12-team format in 1990, 77 percent of teams that started the season 4-1 reached the playoffs (98 of 128 teams). Clubs with 3-2 records after the first five games have gone to the postseason 51 percent of the time (95 of 186).

    What’s next: The Bears face a difficult four-day turnaround when they play host the New York Giants on Thursday night.
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    http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/recap?gameId=331006003

    Drew Brees, Jimmy Graham pace Saints to 5-0 start

    Associated Press

    Saints Improve To 5-0
    Drew Brees threw for 288 yards and two touchdowns to lead the Saints past the Bears 26-18.Tags: Saints, Bears

    CHICAGO -- That Drew Brees-to-Jimmy Graham connection for New Orleans was just too much for the Chicago Bears.

    Brees threw two touchdown passes, Graham tied an NFL record with another 100-yard game and the Saints beat the Bears 26-18 on Sunday to remain unbeaten.

    Brees was 29-of-35 passing for 288 yards in his first victory in four career games at Soldier Field. Garrett Hartley matched a career high with four field goals as New Orleans (5-0) picked up its first win in Chicago since a 31-10 victory on Oct. 8, 2000.

    Graham continued his torrid start for the Saints, catching 10 balls for 135 yards in his fourth consecutive 100-yard game -- matching an NFL record for a tight end. Tony Gonzalez was the first to accomplish the streak in 2000, and Graham matched the surge in 2011.

    Hartley's third field goal gave the Saints a 23-7lead with 8:03 left in the third, but Robbie Gouldresponded with a 27-yarder for the Bears. Chicago was driving in the fourth quarter whenEarl Bennett dropped a fourth-down pass deep in New Orleans territory to give the ball back to the Saints with 8:40 to go.

    Trailing 26-10 with three minutes left, Jay Cutlerled the Bears on one last scoring drive. He passed to Brandon Marshall for a 2-yard TD, andMatt Forte ran it in for the 2-point conversion.

    The Bears got the ball back with 21 seconds left and no timeouts. Cutler then passed toAlshon Jeffery in the middle of the field for 21 yards, but time expired before they could run another play.

    Cutler was 24 of 33 for 358 yards and two touchdowns for Chicago (3-2), which has lost two in a row after a perfect start. Jeffery had 10 receptions for a career-high 218 yards and a score.

    It took a while for Brees to get started, but New Orleans' defense made sure he had plenty of time to get warmed up.

    The Saints sacked Cutler twice while limiting the Bears to one first down in the first quarter. Chicago had just 51 yards when it got the ball back with 5:57 left in the first half.

    After two field goals by Hartley -- including a 19-yard chip shot after Cutler fumbled on a sack by Malcolm Jenkins deep in Chicago territory -- Brees started to find his rhythm. He connected with Graham on pass plays of 29 and 38 yards to get New Orleans to the 7 with 7:23 left in the half.

    This time, the Saints got into the end zone.

    Brees rolled out on second down and flipped the ball to Pierre Thomas, who fought throughD.J. Williams' tackle attempt and extended his right arm over the goal line for the 2-yard touchdown that made it 13-0 with 6:02 remaining.

    Brees' 11th touchdown pass of the season seemed to wake up the Bears, who responded with a seven-play, 80-yard drive. Cutler made a beautiful throw into double coverage for a 31-yard pass to Jeffery, and then found Jeffery again for a 3-yard TD.

    But the Bears gave the ball back to Brees with 2:41 left in the half, plenty of time for the star QB to direct another scoring drive. Thomas had a big 2-yard run on fourth-and-1 from the Chicago 27, and then went 25 yards for the score on a screen play with 32 seconds remaining.

    Thomas' second TD reception made it 20-7 and was the result of a perfect call by coach Sean Payton, who still has a deft touch when it comes to play-calling after missing last season as a result of the bounty scandal. Thomas caught the ball in the flat with a couple of blockers in front of him, and cut back around the 10-yard line to get into the end zone.

    Brees was 17 for 20 for 195 yards at halftime, including seven receptions for 106 yards for Graham. The Saints had just 34 yards rushing at the break, but it hardly mattered with Brees operating with his usual precision.

    The Bears had only 24 yards on the ground at halftime, a much bigger problem for an offense that relies on a balance of run and pass plays to be effective. They finished with 94 yards rushing.

    Game notes

    The Saints also won a road game against the Bears in 2002, but that victory came in Champaign because Soldier Field was being renovated. ... Bears DT Nate Collins hurt his left knee in the third quarter and did not return. ... Bears DT Stephen Paea was inactive due to a toe injury. Landon Cohen got the start just 10 days after he was signed off waivers. ... Bears TE Martellus Bennett was shaken up after he was upended in the second quarter, but returned to the game. ... WR Lance Moore (right hand injury), RB Mark Ingram (toe), SRoman Harper (knee) and DL Brodrick Bunkley (calf) were among the inactives for the Saints.

    Copyright by STATS LLC and The Associated Press
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    interesting stat i heard during the game. Brees has been sacked more this year then how he was last year...Last year he was sacked about 1.6 times a game, right now he's getting sacked a little more then 2x's a game, and even was sacked twice today against a pretty bad DL in Chicago. So apparently the loss of Bushrod had to hurt at least a little. Right now Brees is on pace for 38 sacks, same as Cutler last year.
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    This is also the first time in a long time Brees hasn't thrown for 300 yards. The D was okay, but the O needed to be more dominant.
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    We're gonna need another tight end that can catch. Having a 3rd receiver in to catch, when you're passing all the damn time, that can't catch, is pretty stupid. This offense would be better off with a lot more 2 TE sets. It might also help to run a lot more.
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    lol... must be pretty easy to get a job as a sports writer now-a-days...
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    The "D" is getting nicked because of time on the field.

    LONG SUSTAINED DRIVES with RB's are not into DA BEARS vocabulary yet.
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    I feel like we do less with more then most teams in football.

    My feeling is that we have a ton of talent in the backfield but with the way they get used you could almost have anyone back there.

    Busch 2 touches in the last 8 quarters??
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    I think you may have to get used to it. In Montreal, Trestman was always the pass first kinda guy. That wasn't just a CFL thing as some teams rush the ball quite a bit, despite the usual 'pass happy CFL' propaganda. His teams were always at the low end of the rushing scale despite having good RBs. The RBs were often used in shovels, screens, hitches, and as a check-down. He used the short pass to the RB as a substitute running play. Count Forte's touches and total yards, not the number of runs.

    On the D side of the ball, we've talked about this before, but the DC has to carry a bigger load. If the D doesn't shape up by year's end, Tucker is toast, well done toast, burnt toast. The DC has to be a mini-HC on the defensive side of the ball on a Trestman led team. Some guys will revel in that, some won't. He went through a few DCs in Montreal. Expect the same.
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    What we learned.

    We still cannot hang with the good teams
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    Well then, that would be two problems wrapped into one. Tucker is not that person. And Trestman should have known that. If that is a requirement, it is possible he is just as inept at choosing a DC as Lovie was at choosing an OC.

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