Chicago BEARS defense ... back on track or recurring future scumbags?

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  1. Chicago_66

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    To equate the Cutler injury to what happened on defense isn't fair. If we lost just one key player on defense that'd be something. I understand injuries happen but if were to lose Garza, Slausen, Long, Marshall, Forte and say Bennett for all/most of the season while being restricted to using Tice's offense and Trestman still put together a top 15 offense then we're talking about a special coach. I think Trest is more likely than Tucker to do this but that's also why he's a HC. I think it was stupid to make Tucker stick with Lovie's defense when it was obviously starting to falter with Lovie and we didn't have the personnel to execute it the way you need to. Pep fell off even before injuries and we didn't have Urlacher back deep to mask the inefficiencies of the scheme that isn't Tucker's. Like I said.. Trest loses all those players I mentioned and is handicapped to someone elses offensive scheme.. then we can talk.

    It's Tucker's job to develop the depth to be ready right now? I thought that was more of a positional coach thing but even so, I don't expect anyone to have 2 rookie LB's ready to put an entire defense that's been decimated by injuries on their shoulders. It's not like it was just LB's coming down and the rookies had to come in.. the rookies came in after the defense had gone to shit and all the wheels had fallen off. All the pieces that made that D go were gone. No DC in the NFL that I know of could have handled all those injuries coupled with the talent available below them.
     
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    And as a disclaimer I'm in no way trying to say Tucker is an amazing coach or the savior of this defense. But I can't for the life of me form an opinion of a guy who had to deal with that. If Trest had to go through what he went through I wouldn't judge him either. Maybe if he handled it better we could have been the 28th rated defense rather than the 30th, but I don't think we had enough talent post-injuries to justify anyone being able to make that defense into something respectable.
     
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    I agree with everything you said Chi66. All the complied injuries are greater than losing Cutler. That being said, losing a QB for a completely unproven and underwhelming (at the time) backup can be devastating as well. My point is there wasn't even a hiccup. But what I agree with most is the point that Tucker was forced to keep lovie's defense. If it weren't for that then I would still be kicking and screaming that he is still our DC. Frankly, let the man do his job. Take the handcuffs off and let him work. Looks to be what we are doing so now its do or die. I really hope he can do it but bottom line is there are no excuses this year. Yep, there will be injuries and Tillman, DJ and Briggs are at the top of the liability list. He has been given enough talent and depth to make it work so now the ball is in his court. Hope we see a guy who can be our DC for the long haul, or even does such a great job we lose him because he gets a HC offer, and not because we had to fire him.
     
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    Definitely no excuses this year. I love that Emery brought in Paul P, little reminder that hey Tucker.. sorry about what happened last season.. but lets see some results. The training wheels are off and you have free reign of the defense. It's now completely his defense and is teeming with talent, young and old. If he doesn't produce a good defense this year, I'm positive we've seen the last of him. I'm really hoping he comes in and gives the Bears a top 15 D to go with this juggernaut of an offense we've developed. As you said, injuries happen.. but barring too many key injuries I think this could be the best trio (O, D, ST) that we've had in years. Maybe not our best D, or our best ST, but the best of those two we've had with an offense like this. I want to see some domination in all three phases.
     
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    It shouldn't be like last year where our offense bails out our defense. Or what we've been used to were the offense sputters all game and the D has to win it for us with the help of the special teams. This should be a balanced team that compliments each other. The defense forces a three and out and the offense strikes and puts points on the board. The defense gives up a drive and the offense march on a long drive of their own and lets the defense rest so they're fresh all 4 quarters. If the opposing offense has a long field this defense has the talent to bully them. If this offense gets a short field it has the ability to strike quick. All the pieces are there for something special. I'm excited.
     
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    Chi, I think we are more on the same page as we originally thought. We view it from a bit of a different perspective but the main points and outlook on this season are pretty much parallel. Pas can take over the DC IMO if we need him to even in the middle of the year. I think his presence should light a fire under Tucker. I love that Tuck came out of the box last year and I love the fire that he has. I don't hate the guy and I don't want to see him fail out of spite. I hope that we see a guy that we are giving high praise too in a few months and that we are worried about another team snagging him for a HC job. But at the same time, I'm not willing to watch another season tank and another year shaved off our window of opportunity due to HIS unit.
     
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    I think you're right, because that sounds about right to me. If the unit isn't living up to Emery (and our) standards then I have no problem with him pulling the plug on Tucker if he thinks that's what's wrong. Axing a coach in the season isn't always for the worse, look at the Ravens Super Bowl run. I'd love to be talking about Tucker as we talk about Kromer, but I'm open to the possibility we won't. I'm really pulling for the guy and when he was originally hired I thought he could be good for the team. This team has loads of talent but there's also an expiration date on quite a few of the pieces and it's a lot sooner than we'd like. There's a window here if we can get the most out of these guys and if Tucker isn't the man for the job then let's find someone who is. I really do hope Tucker is the man for the job though.

    Let's blow the Bills out of the water and keep the pedal to the floor all the way up to dominating Bridgewater or whomever in late December and beyond into playoffs. On paper this team has the pieces to make a run at the Lombardi Trophy, just need a little bit of luck and cooperation from the coaches. Time to make ESPN (and others) eat crow and show Rodgers how it feels to see someone else life that NFC North title on their way to playoffs. I'd love to have a game where we just smack around the Packers. I know they're a great team but I'm just so beyond ready to reclaim that title and do it in a dominating fashion.

    As I've said over and over.. the pieces are there. This rookie class could be integral to our run if they can live up to their potential. I think Vereen could provide someone who can be held accountable. Carey can provide more than our previous back-ups did and have himself a decent year spelling for Forte. Sutton and Ferguson can work into rotation and both bring great things to the table. O'Donnell can give us quality punts and someone who's going to help our field position, something that is huge in the NFL. And finally, Fuller can hopefully provide a quality NB who can contend with all these 3-4 WR sets that the NFL is in love with. These guys don't have to be All-Pro Rookies.. but if they can add something to this team we can sure as hell use their help. Plus I'm really, really hoping that McClellin shines in his new position. That would really make this thing a hell of a lot easier. Imagine if he brings 1st round production to our LB corps? Maybe not.. but damn that'd be sweet.

    Nothing against Fales or Leno, I just hope neither see the field unless it's a blowout win and they're getting some game time.
     
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    Absolutely. And the fact that keeps getting passed over. The new guys did not get better. Ever. Possibly worse. Now that may have been the LB coach. I'm sure that was no small part due to him. So the year starts over, but I got my eye on Tucker, LOL
     
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    Yeah, the defense was not up to it's usual standards right from the start but to be honest because of no Marinelli and no Urlacher I expected some decline. Just not as much as it turned out to be rolling forward from there. To say the defense was just fine in the first two or three games is giving them far more credit than they deserve. There were several starters who weren't "on board" with the changeover and IMHO never were as the season dragged on either. Three of them are gone now.
     
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    One thing I'm learning about Emery is that HE will not be the reason the team doesn't succeed. He will search every nook and cranny for players he believes can upgrade the team all the way from starters to third stringers. Unlike JA, lack of quality personnel won't be a problem and he has the blessings of the McCaskey's to spend the money.

    He really has brought in enough talent to make that defense a top ten ranked one again. Three new DEs who all rank in the top 20 in the NFL. A former All Pro NT. Two high draft picks for depth in the NT/DT rotation. Resigned two Pro Bowl CBs and drafted another who rated as one of the best. Bolstered the talent at Safety and was smart enough to bring DWill back just in case one of our youngsters can't handle MLB.

    There aren't a lot of glaring deficiencies any longer. Just a few questions marks. If Mel Tucker can't stop people from scoring with that bunch his career is about over. Failed DCs seldom get invited to interview for HC jobs. The pressure is on all of them, player and coaches, to turn that defense around very fast. I agree with what most every one has said about last year. If they'd have even been mediocre we could have been in the playoffs and contending.
     

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