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That's pretty much what I said.
I think everyone including myself we're wrong on Long. He's gonna be good. I will admit when we drafted Mills, I was like "Why the **** aren't we drafting a C?" Well it looks like so far Mills is gonna be good too.
Agreed, that is why Phil should have signed him to an extention this past off-season. Even if it was a short-term e.g. 2 year extention. I understand we had cap issues but Tillman is such an important player to our team.
Maybe Marvin Lewis had lunch with Lovie earlier in the week or something.
The Bears are gonna keep Peterson at bay, he'll get some yards but it won't be what he's used to getting and this will force Ponder to beat the Bears with his arm which will lead to int's from the Bears pass rush and pressure.
Very very happy with what happened today.
OL looked solid, very solid against one of, if not the best front 4s. Atkin didn't have his names called and that's a credit to the iol. Safe to say last year that guy would have given us fits and half the play book would go out the window. NO SACKS and cincy was aggressively blitzing and stunting ESP the right side. My only complaint is I would like to see Forte run harder. A lot
of arm tackles were preventing him from hitting the 2nd and 3 rd level where we all know he can do damage.
Defense worried me a bit. Our front four was non existant and Dalton had all day to throw. This has to change as we really didn't stop them as much as we just took the ball away. This is great but you can't bank on 4 TO a game. Peppers was flat out worrisome as I watched him being single teamed a majority of the time and a non factor. Hopefully this changes.
recorded the game finished watching it (turned off the radio in the car...coming home from work)
Green shows he can do it, but that can't happen all the time, the game was rather knarly the first 3 quarters, Bengals getting the lucky breaks with Green picks on the long bomb. But I think after the half the bears worked out their game on the Bengals. The OL is looking better, Cutler was not sacked. Bengals QB finally sacked late. I didnt see Hester on the OL at all, he's better on the kick return I would not want to see him injured in regular play, let him focus on the kick return, he may be able to fill in OL on injuries or whatever.
Bengal shot themselves in the foot on the too many players on the field. You wonder howd that happen, I bet they wonder too, thought they could sneak that in but the officials would have seen it. If this is what I see as "an offensive line still being worked out" you wonder what the near future will bring.
You cant play minnesota thinking you'll get an easy win, they can surprise you so Bears better be even more ready for that game.
Cutler's making good passes like he got going last year, from last year I thought he was improved from the year before so I think this year hes kept the finesse going, there were way too many interceptions 2 years ago. One in this game but seemed to be a mental error. One pass after his scramble he found his man and threw right over a bengal, he tried to snatch the ball but missed...hehe, and the ball was caught.
4th quarter the defense seemed to rev up.
Like the reworked site forum, GO BEARS!
Our D is either or. Either turn the ball over or get scored on...
Cutty looked great with time, that INT was kind of forced with a hand on his jersey as much as it was on Cuttys accuracy. Trestmans playcalling was fine and kept Cutler on his feet. OL looked good and just wait if this works.
Still have my doubts about a high paid RB that isn't named Peterson or Foster.
One of my more than once replayed plays:
Seeing Long, 20 something yards down field after the Jay slide on the scramble, in the grille of the Bengal who hit him late, finger pointing/barking.
Gotta feeling this nasty boy's gonna remind us of our '85 studs before this is over...
One of the reasons they drafted Long was for his athleticism, he is going to help out tremendously on run plays.
i would like to point out just one thing, and i think that is the essence. we would have lost this game last year. what a difference a year makes
The first half, I was thinking we still had Lovie. Offense did not look different at all. Two time outs uses in the first quarter....
But the second half looked much better.
What we saw yesterday in Trestman is no different than the previous five years in "that strange league far away". Unflappable, risk taker, always focused on the job - can't tell if the team is up by 21 or down by 21 by watching him work.
That fourth down gamble discombobulated Cincy and they never got their composure back. If it had failed, Trestman would have simply looked to what had to be done next - move on. That composure will do wonders for the Bears as they will learn to retain theirs -- as Mills did near the end of the game. It's also reflected in the lack of mental errors. Composed teams don't make many dumb mistakes.
Funny... His calm cool demeanor is looked at differently than Lovie's
I too was impressed with Long and Mills. Long especially. On the one play that ended just short of a TD, it seemed like he moved the entire pile 5 yards. on Forte's, he had broken through the line and was waiting in the end zone for Forte. Gotta love his in-yer-face attitude on the guy who dove on Cutler when he was sliding. The right side of our line appears to be set for a long time. Left side was good as well, but the second big surprise I had was that Garza wasn't awful.
Bears Vs. Bengals: Notes, Scribbles, and Things Jotted Down
By Steven Schweickert @SJS_illini on Sep 9 2013, 7:00a +
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We're going over some of our thoughts and notes from yesterday's victory against the Bengals.
First off, so, A.J. Green is pretty damn good. I don't think he's quite the athlete Calvin Johnson is, which makes Johnson so dangerous, but Green's a savvy receiver that knows how to play some football. He was doing some dangerous things to the Bears in the first half, and I'm glad the Bengals stopped going to him when they did. The Bears just didn't have much of an answer for Green and Charles Tillman had a hard time keeping up with him.
Speaking of, if there was ever a bad two-interception game, Charles Tillman had one. His first interception was a good one, but he was badly beat on the second and only picked it up because Green couldn't hold on. Green walled him off on his forty-yard catch down to the four yard line, then just slapped him to the side to get open on his touchdown catch.
Charles Tillman getting interceptions and Tim Jennings forcing fumbles? What is this, role reversal day?
The offensive line had some good things happen today, especially in the second half, but however bad things looked in the first half (and at times they looked bad), keep in mind the vaunted pass rush of the Bengals, for all their pressures, couldn't bring down Jay Cutler for a sack. Geno Atkins was held without a tackle, even.
And speaking of pass rush, it's amazing how good an offensive line looks when the ball's out of the quarterback's hand in two seconds.
Questions asked in my living room: "Is Julius Peppers playing today?" "Allegedly."
As rough as the offense looked in the first half, they looked that good in the second half aside from the interception. The offense was pretty conservative in the first half and didn't look good on the stat sheet, but the Bears had some plays open up downfield and took advantage later.
The play that seemed to break things wide open for the Bears was Cutler's escape on third and seven. The Bengals broke a rare moment of containment and Cutler sneaked through it before lobbing the ball to a wide-open Martellus Bennett, who rumbled for thirty yards. Overpursuit in pass-rush might have worked in the past, but that play backfired on the Bengals completely.
Good to see the first quarter timeouts are still here, eh?
Leave it to the Bears defense to wake up when they have to, and Tim Jennings turned in his second forced fumble, one that was actually recovered instead of kicked out of bounds. Shades of forcing a fumble in the waning moments against the Packers in 2010, perhaps?
Stephen Paea was the one guy in the Bears' defensive line rotation that got any penetration consistently. Yet, Shea McClellin picked up the game's lone sack. On that play, Paea was rumbling with the ball for a touchdown before the play was whistled dead for stopped forward progress. Solid game by Paea.
Martellus Bennett had two bad holding calls on run plays in the middle - yet of course he makes a key reception for a first down to compensate, as well as catching the first touchdown of the season for the Bears.
Matt Slauson had the offensive line's first penalty. Did anybody else immediately have a gut check at that time?
MATT FORTE HAD A SHORT YARDAGE TOUCHDOWN. THE END OF DAYS IS NIGH.
Forte had four receptions for 41 yards - if you listened to the pregame stream (/plug), Sam and I were both over in our predictions. Forte had 6 targets, though.
Brandon Marshall had eight receptions on ten targets for 104 yards. Nobody else on the team broke 50 (Alshon Jeffery had 42 yards, Martellus Bennett had 49).
On Jay Cutler's interception: Someone may have missed an assignment. Jay also could have realized nobody around, period, means nobody in a Bears uniform is going to catch that ball. Cutler said he was meaning to throw it to Bennett, but because of the pressure he had to get rid of it. So, he made a bad throw.
But as easily as Cutler hit Vontaze Burfict in stride, man it looks pretty when he hits Brandon Marshall in stride down the field.
The Bengals had 8 penalties for 84 yards. There's a certain penalty that went for 15 yards and a guaranteed first down. I think the Bengals' coaches are going to be pretty livid for a couple days on that particular penalty. There's never an excuse for committing a personal foul, unnecessary roughness penalty that can give the other team the game. Especially when they had just held the Bears to a fourth down and would get the ball back otherwise. Thanks, Ray Maualuga. The Bears may well have gone on to win the game anyway, but that penalty completely took away any chance of the Bengals coming back.
Going back to the offensive line really quickly, Kyle Long and Jordan Mills impressed me. They had their early hiccups, but they still kept a decent pocket for Cutler.
But I'm not sure Michael Bush should try to handle Carlos Dunlap anymore. Just a hunch. Dunlap had himself a high-pressure game.
I really don't want to see Jennings try to cover Green again. Just sayin'.
I'm not sure how to feel about the Mel Tucker defense. 21 points is quite a bit; on the other hand, the defense was only really gashed by Green. And either way, it only goes to show a defense can only be as good as the defensive line that drives it.
First down plays will set the tempo for a drive. Without Shea McClellin's sack, the Bears might not force second and long to get to third and long, to get the ball back to run down the clock
The Bengals' three touchdown drives went for 97 yards, 91 yards and 80 yards. The next two longest drives ended in turnovers (42 and 21 yards).
Prior to the Bears' 9 play 80 yard drive for a touchdown, the Bears went 10 plays for 11 yards, two punts and a field goal.
Robbie Gould set a Bears' franchise and Soldier Field field goal record. In other words, just another NFL Sunday. 58 yards that might have been good from 62 or so. I did get a little worried when the right side of the formation crumbled.
It was funny watching another team have massive timeout problems in the second half - no timeouts left really hurt the Bengals' ability to control the clock in the end of the game. It was also funny to watch the Bengals get caught with 10 men and call a timeout, then have twelve men on the next play. The Bengals aren't a bad team, but they have to get that discipline under control. They could do some damage once they get that down.
The Bears' offense had a 2.9 yards-per-carry on the game. Yet the biggest rushing play on the game was an 8-yard bounce to the outside on fourth and one. Cutler actually had the longest run of the game, an 18-yard run on second and 22.
All in all, a pretty fun win, especially because now we know what it feels like to actually have a semblance of an offense. Now, to just do better next week against Minnesota.
I figure a guy like Green is going to get his catches no matter what you do. He's never going to be shut down completely (just like B.Marsh doesn't get shut down completely). This is where a team needs "enough" offense to overcome these gifted WR's in the NFL.
In the past, Lovie figured we "lived and died" by the defense........and of course the solid teams had more offense than us and won. We couldn't beat the good teams with our anemic offense. Yesterday, we had enough offense to score more points than the Green-led Bengals. This is how you beat the good teams in the NFL. Gotta have a decent offense to go with that defense.
Not every team has an A.J. Green. The guy is phenomenal. We were lucky to get through this one with a win but the Bears hung in there and made some plays.
Agreed Iron Matt, and it's fair to say that when we do face teams that have that kind of guy that Tillman will not be sick during those games. There are about 5 of those WR's in the entire NFL, and we won't see all 5 this year. We'll see 1 2x's though, and a healthy Tillman is required for Det and CJ.
Trestman is a classy guy, this played before the montreal/toronto game yesterday.
We need to wrap up tackles much more than yesterday, especially in the week we play Adrian Peterson.