chicago v cincy post game

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  1. riczaj01

    riczaj01 DaBears Ditka DBS Writer

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    1st article, again keep that in mind, neither DL(both really good) could get pressure on the QB's, and this is the reason, both QB's played good ball and got rid of the ball really quick.

    I know fans hate to hear it, but Cincy really did hand that game to us on a silver platter. It still took the Bears to take it off that platter, but that game really was there for Cincy's taking.

    About Forte, ya he struggled, but when he did break free he was gaining huge chunks of yards.


    as for the 2nd article what a difference a competent HC and GM can do for a guy. As long as Cutler continues to play like that, he's going to make the Bears give that man his money.
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    I am almost positive it will continue. All reports on Trestman say that is exactly what he is.
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    It's tuff to say with only one game down, but a win only helps Trestman. I was on the live chat yesterday and a lot of us had "knee jerk" reactions when an offense play didn't go as planned. There was a lot of "more of the same!!!", but I think most people after the game was over would realize that there were improvements with the Offense. New coach, first game, new o-line, you can't expect to be the leagues best.

    The D DID help win this game, no doubt, but I think people are mostly concerned about the consistency. To the viewer it looked like a lot of missed tackles, not a lot of anything from Peppers. I have a fear like most people that the new guys on the D aren't getting the "Bears D Training".

    On the positive, I think like the other folks here, Trestman is a true "student of the game". It does seem he has a lot calculating to him. Now thinking back, Lovie did have that oblivious look.
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    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/09/09/24-hours-later-laurence-holmes-breaks-down-bears-bengals/

    24 Hours Later: Laurence Holmes Breaks Down Bears-Bengals
    September 9, 2013 1:21 PM

    Laurence W. Holmes-
    (CBS) Time offers the opportunity for perspective, so I thought it would be a good idea to wait each week to give my thoughts on the Bears game.
    The idea being that 24 hours allows for me to watch the game over and talk to a few more people.
    WHAT I SAW:
    This was a tremendous way to start the Marc Trestman era. For most of the game, the Bears were outplayed. Cincinnati had an 11-point lead halfway through the third quarter and A.J. Green looked unstoppable, but the Bears rallied and played smart, confident football to come back and win.
    Jay Cutler played a strong second half. He completed 79% of his passes (11-of-14) and threw for 172 yards, with a touchdown. He did have an interception, but still ending up with a 111.9 passer rating for the half. Toward the end of the game, he made great throws, including the bullet to Brandon Marshall for the win.
    Part of the reason that Cutler was so effective was because he was kept “clean.” He wasn’t sacked in the game. Believe it or not, the Bears O-line kept him clean against Seattle last year, but when you add in the fact that on Sunday, there were no pre-snap penalties, it’s an impressive showing for the protection.
    The defense had some issues. There were some communication breakdowns in the back-4 that allowed Green to get loose. He was phenomenal. Green was targeted 13 times. He caught nine passes for 162 yards and two touchdowns. He also drew a 34-yard pass interference penalty that set up a touchdown. The Bears struggled to deal with him and it wasn’t all the secondary’s fault.
    There was little push from the defensive line. Julius Peppers’ name didn’t appear on the stat sheet. For most of the game, Andy Dalton had a clean pocket. I was impressed with Stephen Paea who had six tackles and beat a double-team, to free up Shea McClellin for the game’s lone sack. James Anderson played very well in pass coverage.
    WHAT I HEARD
    “He made a great kick and certainly a significant play in the game.”
    – Trestman on Robbie Gould’s 58-yard FG
    The significance of that kick shouldn’t be lost. This game was heading down a bad road for the Bears, and Gould was able to let the team leave for halftime, with some confidence. We all remember the young, free-agent kicker, who came in and had problems kicking from distance, but that’s not Gould’s player profile anymore.
    From 50 yards or more, Gould is 14-of-18. He ranks in the top 3 in NFL history with 10 or more FG from 50+. The 58-yarder beats his own record. It’s possible that Gould will have more FGs and points than Kevin Butler when his career is over.
    “Unfortunately, we had a lot of guys lose composure today.” – Marvin Lewis
    Let’s be real, the Bengals played dumb football yesterday. They gave the Bears an opportunity and they took the game away. Cincinnati had eight penalties for 84 yards. They repeatedly instigated scuffles and were caught retaliating.
    If you want to know what Eric Weem’s value is on special teams, it was on display yesterday. The Bengals had control of the game and had the Bears buried on a punt at the end of the second quarter. At the end of the play, Weems baited Dre Kirkpatrick into a personal foul. The penalty flipped position and put the Bears in Bengals territory with 42 seconds left in the half. It gave the Bears a chance at the long field goal.
    “How about that role reversal?” – Brandon Marshall
    Usually, it’s Tim Jennings getting the interceptions and Charles Tillman with the forced fumbles. On Sunday, they flipped it. Tillman had two interceptions and Jennings got two forced fumbles. Jennings has never gotten two in a game before. He also had a fumble recovery.
    “Ballsy play-calling” – Jay Cutler
    Trestman didn’t hesitate when the Bears were presented with a fouth-and-1 call with the game on the line. He called a run to the right side. The play-calling was “ballsy”, but Matt Forte’s vision, speed and decision-making made the play. The play was meant to go up the middle, but it was bottled up. He bounced that play outside and gained eight yards. The next play was Cutler hitting Brandon Marshall for a 19-yard touchdown.
    WHAT I WAS TOLD:
    “…They don’t account for the quarterback.”
    – Jay Cutler
    Last year, teams tried to stop Brandon Marshall with “2-Man” defense. Man defense underneath, with safety help over the top. It bothered Cutler and Marshall. One of the ways to force a team out of that coverage is for the quarterback to take off. He’s unaccounted for. Cutler made some great plays with his feet on Sunday. His 18 yard scramble on second-and-20, was a HUGE play. Part of the reason that he didn’t get sacked Sunday was his athleticism. He stretched plays and showed why his impov skills are so intoxicating.
    “(I’m OK), just tired.” – Charles Tillman
    TIllman missed some plays because of dehydration. It was muggy on the lakefront Sunday and his return of the first interception (that was called down by contact), didn’t help. You add in chasing A.J. Green around all day and it makes sense. Tillman was seen heaving on the sidelines, getting fluids and oxygen. He still ended the game moving up on the Bears all-time list for interceptions. Tillman owns the record for interception by a Bears cornerback (35). The overall record is owned by Gary Fencik (38).
    Sundays are for players. Sunday is the players’ day to celebrate the privilege of playing in the National Football League ” -Marc Trestman
    I wanted to know, what getting his first NFL win meant to him, but he wanted to put the spotlight back on his players. The team gave him a “game-ball” for the win.
    For more Bears information, follow Laurence on Twitter @LaurenceWHolmes.
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    Trestman has quickly gained the respect of this team, and not just Cutler. But it is wonderful to see Jay finally respects one of our coaches. He's listening. He's doing the smart things we've wanted to see him do for years now (like quickly firing the ball out instead of taking sacks).

    I know it's super-early for us to make a final judgement on Trestman. But so far I really like what I see in him.
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    Lovie always had the "Deer in the headlights look", where Trestman looks like he's thinking about his next move.
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    I'm just an old fart ..
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    Well, you could be right. I do think Lovie was highly thought of, but not necessarly as a HC. He had opportunities this year, but no one bit. Of course one could assume he didn't really try that hard. I think Lovies time has passed, and I think there are a lot of fresh names that come up every year without going back to an old name. That said, who really cares. You could be right, but I think it's far from a given.
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    Glad you are positive. I saw more emotion in the guy yesterday than I typically saw from Lovie in a whole quarter of a season. Good to know all reports show he will be statuesque on the sidelines all year. I would hate to think he would show his excitement when good things happen and possibly "grimace" when something bad happens.
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    I truly hope he does and we get to play his team twice a year for 9 years +1 for bonus year.
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    A bit off topic but I would completely agree. There's two have no business on sports radio because frankly they are clueless to anything that isn't baseball.

    I won't even listen to them anymore, rather flip up the dial a bit because of that fact that you pointed out. Those two morons will "rip" a caller and hang up while being dead wrong about the issue. Only good example I remember off the top of my head was them arguing a guy about no touch icing. Guy was 100% correct but B and B made clueless jokes about him and hung up. Believe that was the last time I tolerated their joke of a show.
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    When I first heard them I was like how can these guys be on Chicago radio. Their entire goal is to rip their callers and insult the Chicago teams. That's fine rip the teams but at least be funny when doing it. So why would anyone in Chicago listen to these 2 morons?
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    I listen to them when one is out and Lawrence Holmes is in. And if the ESPN didn't have a better show I might listen anyways. They are asshats, but when they are just talking sports, they normally have some good nuggets; it's just to far between b/c of the bit they're doing.

    but that's the thing, they are the exception to the rule, not the rule itself.
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    He wasn't going to take anything this year because he is still getting paid by the Bears to sit at home. Next year I can almost guarantee that Lovie will at least get several interviews.
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    I understand man, I understand (about the whole getting paid thing). As far as your confidence in him finding a new HC job, that's fine. We disagree, but that's cool too. I think the man decided to sit out a year because he thought it was a good opportunity to spend time with his family and the right offer wasn't there anyway. From what I understand, he is a good christian man that values his time with family and the Head Coaching Job is an intense and time consuming one. He has plenty of money and he's still getting paid large so why not take a year off and see if he even WANTS to do this any more. There are people that have made a LOT less than he has that have retired far earlier. If you want to guarantee (or almost do so) that he will get several interviews (I don't doubt that, I just doubt the whole hiring thing) then so be it. It's not a ridiculous claim and I'm not saying it is, I just disagree, that's all.
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    Lovies biggest problem come the interview time is going to be explaining how the O only got worse every year and why he couldn't get a good OC in there, and how he would correct those issues next time around.
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    Hey, I am no fan of Lovie. I am thrilled that he was fired. I'm just saying that "the league" and the media outside of Chicago seem to think really highly of him. I think that he will get another opportunity at some point, and as we heard previously, Jerry Jones seems infatuated with Lovie. But who knows? Maybe Lovie takes the Gruden route and decides he doesn't want the stress of coaching anymore.
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    Well, the last three years (after Turner was fired), it was an unwinnable situation for bringing in OC's. Angelo went out and splurged in free agency because he knew that he was going to be fired if the Bears didn't win the next year. For any OC coming into a situation with a GM likely to be fired, with a coach who had been on the bubble for a few years, along with the "bad guy" image Cutler has, it looked like a job where you might end up getting fired (along with Lovie and Angelo) after one year. That's why nobody with any future in the game wanted a piece of that job. Only a guy on the outside would have risked it, and that's what we got with Martz, and then Tice. The situation was even more dire coming into 2012, with a new GM in place, so Tice ended up getting the job by default.

    Like I said, I'm not a fan of Lovie, but that was a situation in which he couldn't bring in a solid OC to establish a system - because his job was on the line, too. I think that if he had a fresh start elsewhere, he could succeed on offense because he would have a better chance to hire a competent OC in year one.
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    This is going to be important come the draft time next year especially with the RT position being fixed. We are going to have a lot of needs on Defense so if the offense is taken care of for the most part it will be good. Only offensive needs I see are a developmental QB, Young C and MAYBE a developmental G/T in the late rounds to be the swing Tackle.
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    But Lovie has had what 4 OC's? His problem is he didn't give a shit about the O, his theory was the O just needed to not screw up the D's win; and that doesn't work in today's NFL.

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