Cutler now a top-5 QB in NFL in completion percentage. Top-10 QB rating.

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  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    It all depends on how well you want to see the team do. If mediocrity is fine, then skimp on the QB position. Grab a Kyle Orton clone and settle in watching Green Bay's backside for the next 6 or 7 years. Or more.

    There is no "free lunch" in the NFL when it comes to the QB position. You pretty much get what you pay for. It's a position that very few men on planet earth can play - at the highest level. We all like the idea that Trestman can do the "Mike Tice Thing" and make a prince out of a frog. But getting a top-tier (or near top-tier) QB isn't a 'pixie dust thing" ...it's hard to get a really good one.

    So, if Cutler PROVES he's worth the money, then pay the man. Period.
     
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    That's great and all, but I don't really care about the rankings so much as how the game goes. What I have seen so far is a definite improvement. If you are a stat person though, you have to consider this. He was not asked to do a lot the last game because of the defensive scoring. It is hard to put up big numbers when the other team gets the ball, drives a bit, BOOM, turnover for a touchdown, other team gets the ball back. This happens a lot for us. He is not top tier by far, but does not get as many drives as other teams either. I do believe he has handled himself better so far this year though and I am quite content with his performance
     
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    Jay has the talent its the offensive line its just too damn offensive LOL........................................................................now we will see how this bear will fly .
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean. The offensive line has been GREATLY improved so far this year and has not been an issue at all. Plus bears don't fly.

    /lost
     
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    Never doubted that Cutler was an above average talent who was in a shitty situation. The only question I had was if he ever was surrounded by good talent, would he be able to break the bad habits of having to force things trying to move the ball. So far he's been doing just that...playing within the confines of the game. He doesn't need to be throwing for 400 yards with 3 TDs to impress me. He just needs to perform at a high level when the chips are down & pick his moments.

    Many examples thru the years of top QBs looking quite mortal for other reasons than if they were a good QB. Jay keeps doing the right things like waiting a few games for this offense to jell & not try to fast forward thru the natural growth & the Cutty Haters will be on Jenny Craig for all the crow they'll be eating.
     
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    sorry..

    i meant that jay always had the talent its just that the Offensive line is just too damned bad....NOW WITH O-line lets see how this bear will fly.
    Bears can fly
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    That's pretty much how I see it too.

    The problem was never Cutler's physical QB skills. The guy is definitely a top-5 talent in THAT area. But he lacked the maturity, decision-making & discipline to be a top-5 QB overall. And a second issue was the fact he was playing with extremely crappy coaches. Clueless people who couldn't build a decent offense if their life depended upon it. They couldn't call plays worth a crap either. And of course a third issue was the fact he had poor supporting talent, like a #1 WR, Hester, who couldn't run routes or catch a football. They dumped his TE who could catch (Olsen) and believed didn't NEED receiving TE's.....and brought in some stone-hands people. And a 4th issue was that they never gave him an offensive line worth a crap. OL's that ranked 30th or worse each year. Cutler took horrific physical beatings in games. If it were a boxing match, they would have stopped some of those games before the man got killed.

    Now it looks like almost all of those "bad things" have been fixed. And Cutler has responded by becoming a top-5 QB statistically. And overall, he's making better decisions. He's getting better every game. He's proven to be a RARE talent, in that he can put a team on his back and carry it to 4th quarter victories. Repeatedly. That's a rare QB in the NFL right now.

    And one last thing. There are perhaps 3 other QB's in the NFL who can make all of the throws that Jay can make. You either have that physical gift - or you don't. There's no way to coach that. It's a God given physical gift. Jay has it.

    You add all of that up, and if you're objective about it, then yes, you do pay Cutler a bigtime salary for bigtime talent. Or if you want mediocrity, then just get a Kyle Orton clone, and be a mediocre team, and just spend our years looking up at Green Bay's backside in the NFC-N.

    I grew to hate the mediocrity. Let's not go back to that. Let's be thankful we have a QB like Jay, and keep him here in Chicago.
     
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    Reminds me of examples like David Carr. That boy could play & how did they take care of that talent? Allowed him to get brutalized year after year like he stole money from them. Result? A shell shocked, ghost of what he could have been.

    Big Ben is a mobile, huge QB that's tasted the success. Take away his supporting cast & you'd have a Roman Gabriel, remembered as a good QB that was hard to take down.

    Rodgers, who I grudgingly feel is the best QB out there, started on a team that was coming off a 13-3 season & ended up going 6-10. Big thing was he continued in the same scheme with the same HC. Cutler came in to a 7-9 Bears team & went to 9-7 but the turn-style of schemes/OC was just beginning. Wonder where Jay, who can make every throw Rodgers can, is as mobile, would be if the roles were reversed.

    Of course, it's silly to play the 'what if' game too long but it's ludicrous to not be cognizant of how protection/WRs & stability in the staff/schemes play into the success of a QB.

    Amen...

    I know as fans, some get too short sighted due to the emotion but sometimes it's a bit numbing. Like the saying goes...QBs get way too much credit in the wins & way too much blame for the losses as a rule.

    Cutler should take blame for his bonehead plays but if a team doesn't set up a QB for success, no one should be surprised when he fails. The only way I'd get rid of Jay would have been if we stayed the JA/LS course which would have meant he'd never mature as a QB nor would he have the weapons to even attempt it. Apparently Emery sees what a lot of us see by going out & giving him just what's needed...an offensive minded HC/WRs/OL & a return to the passing side of Forte.

    The biggest regret is that our once vaunted D was allowed to age into oblivion under JA/LS while Cutler was being fed to the wolves. Now that's what bugs me most...
     
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    I agree with this. My only concern with Jay coming into the season was whether or not he had effectively been ruined by wasting his formaitve years getting concussed behind a terrible line, blowing off incompetent coaches, throwing to receivers who couldn't catch and forcing passes when nobody was open. I worried if all the bad habits and the mental baggage from Lovie/Turner/Martz/Tice had given him shell shock, so to say, or if he could become what he always had the talent to be.

    So far, so good, but he's got a long way to go. And realistically, Jay could throw 40 TDs with 5 interceptions, but if they lose in the playoffs because he had a tipped INT, the media will still say LOL SAME OLD JAY!!1! However, we will know if he is playing much better and has taken the next step. I think the Giants could be the first real test for Jay, provided they pull their heads out of their asses in time for that game. Their D-line can give him fits.

    However, I think the biggest early test he will face is the Packers in week 9. He has always played terribly against Green Bay, despite their defense being not very good his time here. The Packers' DBs manhandle receivers regularly. I was excited to see Marshall throw some bitches around against the Packers last year, but he didn't do much of anything in the two games against them. I think receivers getting intimidated from contact and poor coaching greatly contributed to Jay's horrible play against GB all these years. We have reason to believe the coaching is much improved. As for the receivers, Marshall should be amped to take it to them after his one terrible game and one so-so game last year. Alshon will be a year older and more mature. Still, Jay has to take the step to get over whatever Packers stigma he may have. He has to show that he can beat their defense and not turn the ball over. I am hopeful he can take those steps, but I was also hopeful last year. That game will show me if he truly changed.
     
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    Truth be told this bears team is much better than last years team........
     

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