Cutler Ranked as 17th Best NFL QB...............

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    I agree that some of this is unfair. I haven't seen the entire list but I assume guys like Matt Ryan are ranked above him. Guys like him (and stafford) have the adverse effect. Overated and beloved by the media. A debate I always have with my buddy who is a diehard Falcons fan. If Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler were swapped from the time Jay got to Chi I don't think Ryan would have made it through the first 3 years. Would have probably been crucified by the fans and media and likely ran out after the playoff drought.

    But for now I don't think Cuter should be ranked below 12. Like I said I haven't seen the list but IMO off the top of my head I would say that.....

    Rodgers
    Manning
    Brady
    Breese
    Newton
    Kaep
    Other Manning
    Wilson
    Luck
    Big Ben
    Flacco


    .......are better, but unless I forgot a few I'm not sure that you can make much argument that ANYONE else is above Cutler. IMO Big Ben and Flacco are serious stretches but without them hes a top 10 qb.
     
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    Past of the problem is that some of these guys are still living on laurels earned a few years ago like Eil and Big Ben and others like Kaepernick and Newton still haven't earned their stripes in anywhere near as tough an environment as Cutler has been playing in. And one guy, Flacco, is only there because he won a SB. Overall I don't see him as better than Cutler.

    Anyway this stuff is always so subjective that once you get past those top four where the rest fit is debatable and all this article did was prove that NFL honchos are just as biased as fans. There's always way too much weight put on what was and seldom enough on the here and now unless you're Josh McCown. Then immediately Cutler hater's will anoint him as the second coming of Christ in the form of Sid Luckman.
     
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    Yeah, exactly last year at this time the radio guys were harping on Josh. "Do you really want Josh as your backup if Jay goes down?"(with condescending voice added) I was like yes and here's why..but no one gives us a platform to spew our thoughts so most if not all of this just crap talk anyway.
     
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    Jay showed extremely little here and no wonder they have him ranked that low. So far, hes about there, maybe around 10-15 place, and that is the only truth, we'll see where he will be next year
     
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    How much has Tony Romo showed in Dallas lately or Matt Ryan in Atlanta and Eli Manning in NY? I get they're reasoning behind the ranking but when it comes down to tools Cutler's are as good or better than any of those three.

    You know Ditka actually had it right. QB's get far too much credit for wins and far too little forgiveness for losses. Under Lovie and JA they never gave him the tools he needed and last year when the offense finally stepped up the D went into the shitter.

    I don't see any of that being something chargeable to Cutler and yet it seems that's what's happening. Jay didn't go out and lose games we just plain old got beat. The funny thing is they keep talking about things that were and aren't any longer like some of the issues with his mechanics.

    Let's face it these guys pay little more attention to Jay Cutler and his game then I do to teams I don't follow. So this is all simply the impression Cutler has left with these guys and that's good because I'd love to have teams back on their heels when we show up. Teams that still believe that no matter what we do Cutler will find a way to lose the game. This is not the same offense they faced when Lovie was around and I can't wait until they show it again this year.
     
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    I agree. I'm also beginning to believe that Trestman's offense doesn't require a rocket-arm QB as much as it requires a QB who makes smart decisions with the ball. This has been Cutler's struggle in the past. He can fall apart and make multiple bad decisions in key games. He showed last year that he can do amazing things in the 4th quarter. But in Trestman's offense it's probably more important to have a guy who doesn't need heroics in the 4th quarter, because he plays decent football in EVERY quarter. This offense that Trestman has installed here in Chicago needs a QB who is a grinder who makes very few stupid decisions with the ball.

    Cutler can be a great QB for us, but he needs to take another step this year and show that he can be a smart QB who shows up all four quarters of the game and can protect the football - and staying healthy would be nice too.
     
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    Jay is always gonna be a bit of a gunslinger but even with that he needs to be a more consistent gunslinger and keep learning to take what the defense is giving. With the talent he's got he won't need to challenge as much any longer which should result on more yds, ,more tds, and less picks. I have faith he's turned the corner on bad Jay.
     
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    Cutler vs Favre...look at the numbers...

    It's uncanny how similar their numbers are...td/int ratio, Qb rating, Yds/game, Comp%, etc, etc...

    Both gun-slingers with amazing arms...only difference is the state of the organizations during their time in each organization...and games won ratio which directly relates to the previous..

    Favre had 4 OC's over his entire career with weapons all over...

    Cutler has had 4 OC's over the last 5 years, and only the last year has he started to gain weapons on the offensive side...

    Yet one is considered HOF and the other mediocre....Hopefully Trestman and Emery can turn Cutler's career into a resemblance of Elway's career, where the best years come at the end...
     
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    Those are good points, and Jay does have some comparable stats with Favre. I just wish he had stats closer to Aaron Rodgers. Favre wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but had a big arm like Jay. Rodgers on the other hand has a high football IQ to go with his arm. This is what I hope we begin to see with Jay. Better decisions. Play a full 4 quarters. Play better against the better teams. And if he wants to show something in common with Favre, then maybe show some of that Favre durability. Cutler hasn't completed a season since 2009. Favre was an iron man durability-wise.

    Aaron Rodgers:
    Career QB Rating = 104.9
    Career ints = 52
    Career int %: 1.8

    Jay Cutler:
    Career QB Rating = 84.6
    Career ints = 112
    Career int %: 3.4

    Brett Favre:
    Career QB Rating = 86.0
    Career ints % = 3.3
     
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    I agree 100%.
    I'm happy we have Cutler. I still believe we can have good success with him now that he is surrounded by a wealth of talent. But my thinking is that when that day comes (whenever) that we move to our next franchise QB, I'm thinking that a "gunslinger" is probably not the best fit for the offense Trestman is trying to run here in Chicago. I'm not trying to knock Jay. Jay has a lot of talent, and he's certainly better than many of the starting QB's in the league. But Trestman's version-2.0 franchise QB, will probably not be a "gunslinger" type......at least that's my thought on it.
     
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