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  1. Bearsinhouston

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    yeah, I think we are saying the same thing.
     
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    I hope I am wrong and premature, but I tend to agree with you guys that Shea doesn't appear to have been the right pick there considering our base defense (DeCastro was the right one). I could see his pass rush repertoire improving greatly this year but he's prob always going to a liability against the run and that makes it pretty much impossible for him to ever be a true every-down 4-3 DE.
     
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  3. riczaj01

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    MP, his pass rush HAS to get better then last year he had a whopping 2.5 sacks.
     
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    Yeah, but that is 2.5 more than he had the year before that. :-)
     
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    Of course, Ric. He needed to add strength this year (which supposedly he has) and some counter-moves to his game. We will see. Even if he's got that now though, he's still just a pass rush specialist until he can hold up against the run and play more than 3rd down throwing situations. I'm agreeing with you that his rookie season was less than you would expect from a #19 overall pick.
     
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    LOL Got to love Bears fans. So quick to pile on Lovie and Angelo. So quick to sanitize Cutler's pathetic performance against the Packers and the better teams...

    You'd think that Cutler brought us a SB trophy or something...based on how every failing is just a Lovie/Angelo failing.

    I will be ecstatic when Cutler flops this year and our fan base gets brought back to reality when they put Cutler in the scrap heap, of failed #1 picks.
     
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    Ok, dude, we got it. You're a Lovie-Angelo apologist and a Cutler-hater who's living in the past pissed off because your boys are stuck on the couch (notice no other team wanted to hire your two hero-clowns after they were properly shit-canned) and Jay is still rightfully the Bears starting QB. He finally has a decent supporting cast--the whole package--by which he can properly be evaluated for the future. That is what Emery-Trestman are doing (something their predecessors were cluelessly unable to bring forth). No contract for Jay until we SEE. Fair enough by me. I like those odds.

    JA and Lovie had their chance.
    They failed.
    Incontrovertibly.
    Move on.
     
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    He mentions the Packers so frequently, it's hard not to wonder if he is really a Packer fan. I don't really think so, but I do think he needs to accept reality (No Lovie, No JA, and Cutler is the only QB we have). I can't ever understand a fan who hopes for his team (by virtue of the players) flop performances. Fans hope for the best for their team and for players they don't like to do their best too.
     
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    Yeah, the Cutler-hate is stuff I don't understand. No problem criticizing him (there are legitimate criticisms to be made and that is one of the reasons Emery brought in Trestman as a QB guru guy to "make or break" Jay).

    But the stuff about Cutler being terrible or hopeless is crap. THere's about half of the teams in the league who's likely/projected starting QB is someone you wouldn't trade Jay for straight up. The draft offered no help or chance for us to upgrade the position. Bottom line: Cutler is the best QB option we have, the best we've had in a long time, and would also be starting for plenty of other NFL teams.

    Ponder
    Gabbert
    Locker
    Buffalo
    Tannehill
    Vick
    Freeman
    Palmer
    Sanchez
    Weeden
    Etc, etc...
     
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    MP that isn't saying much, just proves he's about a middle of the pack qb, w/a complete team you can win w/that, but he's hardly one of the few elite qb's that can take an imcomplete team and win.

    Only time will tell if he was better or worse then the 2nd-4th rd qb's that could have been got in this draft, we'll have to look back and see how they preformed and how much they cost compared to him in 2-3 years. But the more and more the team holds on in trying to get a legit upgrade at backup to develop the more you'll be able to say something like this by default and not b/c Cutler was just clearly better(ie rodgers/brady/brees etc)
     
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