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    No one I know has said Cutler is "elite", Ric. He isn't. The best way I can put it is that he has elite talent but has underperformed his "ceiling" due to a variety of factors we have been over a million times (both intrinsic and extrinsic). I don't think he will ever be Rodgers or Brady but I do think he has a legit shot at being a "sub-elite" QB like Eli or Flacco that can win the show with the help of a very good D.

    We keep beating the draft thing to death. Lets say it again: this draft sucked for QB talent and frankly we didn't have the picks to take anyone worth taking.

    Manuel--1st round way before us, huge reach by a desperate team
    Smith--2nd round before us, I'm unimpressed and wouldn't have taken him even at 50
    Barkley--4th round before us, decent value there as a WCO prospect but weak arm

    We didn't have a 3rd. There was no one past Barkley that was worth a damn. We also had other fish to fry. We certainly needed OL and LB help badly. I am confident that Emery-Trestman want a QB to develop and would have strongly considered drafting one if the circumstances had been more favorable. They weren't. Anyone we had a shot at past Barkley would very likely have been a Enderle-like wasted draft pick who prob wouldn't have beat out Blanchard. I'd rather have guys like Mills, Washington, and Wilson who have enough upside to contribute in a year or two.

    The 2014 draft class is preliminarily shaping up to be a very strong one for QBs and we have a full complement of picks + an extra 6th. I'm all for a 2nd-3rd round QB draft pick then since I'm guessing we will likely go CB in the 1st.
     
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    So then what you are saying is he is bad enough that getting a QB trumped our need for OL, LB, etc. It's the decision in a vacuum that is confounding. We don't live in vacuums. We get you don't like Cutler either, at least I thought you weren't blindly so. You don't cheer for Cutler's demise, do you?
     
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    no i agree no way the bears can take a qb w/6 picks, it's why it was so important for them to find a way to trade back. I hope your right on next year though b/c I'm not sold on Blanchard and if I see McCown on this team next year I might well have an aneurysm.
     
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    I would not be surprised or disappointed with a DE or DT in the first if it was the right guy. We are short on both. CB is a need and OL is still a need. We are not exactly flush with talent at this point and we are thin in other positions. We still have a year or two to go to right the ship and who knows what will happen with all the one year contracts. Could get much uglier before it gets better.
     
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    BiH,

    Would be a lot less of an issue if Emery didn't reach in the 1st the last two years.

    DeCastro and Rhodes or Floyd would look pretty damn sick right now compared to what we currently have.

    And all of a sudden you have less of an issue in what you just described.
     
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    Well, a rear view mirror is a hell of a drafting aid. Don't know of any GMs that have one of those. I did not expect much out of Frey. He looks like he could be a keeper. Jeffrey is looking good. I don't like the Carimi decision - especially based on what talent we had in house. The Shea decision I am holding off on because it has only been a year. I think he will be solid but that may be all, and we needed more than solid expecially with the clock ticking on Peppers. So I agree with you, but I think think that he makes great FA decisions and better draft decisions than JA. Am I completely happy with everything he has done? No. But I like where we are going even though I think better decisions would have gotten us there quicker.

    In general I like him but don't love him. I am happy we have him though. I do think he is an upgrade and also don't know how many would be significantly better. I would probably have issues with something that any GM did. No two people are going to be in complete lockstep.
     
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    Again, trading back, even if there were a QB worthy of snagging that way (there wasn't), requires a trading partner. You have no idea of whether or not Emery wanted/tried to trade back. He indicated pre-draft quite clearly that he "was open for business" (how clear a signal can you send?) so it stands to reason that he would have traded back if a decent deal was on the table. Apparently, there was no deal to be had.
     
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    Emery wanted to, by all reports and his own words, they just didn't get what they wanted.
     
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    Yeah, I think that was the plan. What I am really excited about is seeing what they do with Blanchard next year. If they move him to #2, then they think they have something. If they don't then I guess he may not be they guy, but I disagree with you about him. I like the guy.
     
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    Well I like him more then McCown ;p
     
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