ESPN: "Saints are on a different level" (A reality check)

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  1. JustAnotherBearsFan99

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    FWIW.

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    The Seahawks got beat and the Cowboys scored 48 points against the Broncos (still lost though). You just never know....
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    I thought that last line by the writer was a ridiculous one. Yes, I absolutely think the Bears could have beat the undefeated Saints. For one, either Trestman or Cutler went away from a WCO ball control format that offered the best chance to succeed. Why? I have no idea. We failed miserably at establishing a running game in the first half. And secondly, Brees stubbornly refused to make a single mistake. This defense, despite playing decent against a high powered O, can't succeed without taking the ball away.
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    Yes Saint is a scary team, but I still think Bears could have won the game.

    The only brightside of this lose is that it lowers the chance for a playoff spot and that means lower draft picks..
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    lowers the chance for a playoff spot, and ur looking forward to this? that is crazy, i want them to get in the playoffs, because they can, and then we'll see! dont kid urself in one game we will be able to beat anyone (and lose too)
    will think about draft when this season is over
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    Which, since that is pretty typical for Brees, you need to game plan for. The Bears didn't do that and they allowed Brees to pretty much play his own game most of time.
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    Going against Drew Brees without a defensive line is like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Good luck with that one.
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    While the score did not say that Brees and the Saints blew us out, we just do not know what would have happened if the score would have been closer.

    Saints played a smart game on the road against a team that wins a lot of games when the other team makes mistakes.

    If the Bears would have played better on offense, there is no Doubt in my mind that the Saints are capable of turning on the afterburners and scoring a lot of points.
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    MD, there were a few 4th and shorts that if the Saints wanted to they could have gone for and made, and that changes the equation a lot.
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    That is my point, the Saints appeared to play not to lose due to mistakes. Had we really forced thier hand with a couple of turnovers or long scoring drives, then we wouldhave seen a totally more agressive Saints team that is capable of really scoring on just about any team.
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    Brees and Manning. Damn them, damn, damn them I say. If Brees had the same WR core as Peyton they'd be on the same level. They do have the athletic tightends big receivers and IMO that is what is making their whole O systems work. Gives them options, and both QB's know how to make the right choices. I don't know if there is a game plan for them, Chicago I thought did fairly well on D.

    Seattle beware.

    Right now, it is going to take some luck for the Bears. Gotta be in it to win it, so I'll be happy fighting for a spot in the playoffs.
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    It's the truth we are Joe average. We ain't the worst but we ain't near the top either.
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    I had this New Orleans game as a Loss from the get go. I knew New Orleans was going to be tough but the score wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
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    Can we just combine the saints and bears and make one uber team? Can you imagine the offense?!
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    I would say that last year we were Joe Average. I honestly think we are better than that this year. But we are not at the level of the best teams. There are four or five teams that are just a cut above.
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    no need for a new thread, but here is some of what trestman said:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/
    Trestman: Defense on field too long
    October, 8, 2013
    9:00AM ET
    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com

    An offensive specialist, Chicago Bears coach Marc Trestman admitted that mistakes and a slow start on his side of the ball affected the defense’s ability to effectively stop the New Orleans Saints on Sunday during a 26-18 loss at Soldier Field.

    Chicago’s first five drives resulted in four punts and a fumble that New Orleans turned into a field goal. That ineptitude on offense, led to New Orleans possessing the ball for nearly a quarter (12 minutes) longer than the Bears.

    “The big thing on the defense was the time they were on the field,” Trestman said. “As I told the team afterwards, the residual effect of being on the field that long is we didn’t have enough to stop them long enough to have the ball 11 minutes in the third quarter and that really held us back. Offense only had the ball three legitimate drives in the second half, and I attribute that to the time they were on the field in the first half and our inability to move the football early in the game. So that’s where the connectivity comes between offense and defense particularly.”

    Trestman described the “offense’s inability to move the ball” as “unacceptable.”

    Quarterback Jay Cutler agreed.

    “It’s hard to beat them whenever you’re minus-one on the turnover ratio,” Cutler said Monday during “The Jay Cutler Show” on ESPN 1000. “We gave them one. We had three sacks, got kicked off the field on those three. So it’s tough to battle back against a team like that whenever they’re playing as good of football as they’re playing.”

    New Orleans ran twice as many plays as the Bears in the third quarter (20 to 10). Chicago was able to achieve a more equitable distribution of offensive snaps in the third quarter (17 to 16), and outscored the Saints 8-3.

    “It all came down to how we started this game,” Trestman said. “You can’t start that way and give (Saints quarterback) Drew Brees 36 minutes with the ball and expect to win
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/

    Trestman: Cutler responsible for costly penalty
    October, 7, 2013
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    By Jeff Dickerson | ESPNChicago.com
    LAKE FOREST, Ill. – Chicago Bears head coach Marc Trestman said on Monday quarterback Jay Cutler was responsible for a critical red zone penalty that backed up an important drive with New Orleans up 23-7 with 5:03 left in the third quarter.

    With the Bears facing first-and-goal from the Saints’ four-yard line, Cutler attempted a pass to wide receiver Earl Bennett that fell incomplete. But during the play right guard Kyle Long was penalized five yards for being an ineligible man downfield, which pushed the Bears back to the Saints’ nine-yard line. The drive fell apart from there as Cutler missed on his next three throws and the Bears had to settle for a Robbie Gould 27-yard field goal.

    Trestman explained that Long was down the field blocking because the Bears called a run play in the huddle and Cutler “pulled the ball” away from the tailback upon receiving the snap without ever changing the call at the line of scrimmage.

    “Jay saw a safety come down into the gap, and looking back he should have handed the ball off and stayed with the play or changed it, but he pulled the ball thinking he could get rid of the ball before Kyle went downfield,” Trestman said.

    “He pulled the ball twice yesterday. He pulled the ball on another run and got some yards. He pulled the ball here and Kyle goes down the field and we got the penalty because Kyle is blocking the run. He has no idea that Jay is going to pull the ball and throw it in that situation.”

    However, Trestman accepted his share of the blame for the Bears’ 26-18 loss, specifically in the first quarter when New Orleans linebacker David Hawthorne sacked Cutler for a seven yard loss. Cutler had already taken one sack and fumbled twice before the Hawthorn hit. Trestman pointed to his team’s slow start on offense as one of the biggest reasons the Bears came up short against the undefeated Saints.

    “That was on me,” Trestman said. “I could’ve helped Jay with a call. We had a unique front and I accept accountability for that. I could’ve helped Jay in the headsets with a call and I didn’t do that. That caused a sack there.”
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    and a quick review after a couple days:
    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/

    Upon Further Review: Bears Week 5
    October, 7, 2013
    12:30 PM ET

    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com
    An examination of four hot issues from the Chicago Bears' 26-18 loss to the New Orleans Saints:

    Slow starts: The Bears need to stop spotting opponents points early in games through mistakes, lax play, turnovers or simply giving teams short fields to work with because of unproductive drives on offense. Whatever the case, the Bears have trailed at the half now in three of five games before making adjustments in the second half to come from behind to win or at least make a seemingly lopsided loss look respectable. The Bears need to start making effective adjustments more quickly.

    Chicago killed itself on the first play from scrimmage when Matt Forte doomed a drive with a fumble for a 10-yard loss, and New Orleans responded with a field goal to put the Bears at a disadvantage early. On Chicago’s next drive, ineptitude in blitz pickup resulted in another fumble that the Saints turned into another field goal. By the time the Bears started playing productive football, they were trailing 13-0 with 5:57 left in the first half. That’s too late.

    Injuries to front four: With Henry Melton out for the season and Stephen Paea missing Sunday’s game because of a turf toe injury, the front four suffered another blow when Nate Collins left with a knee injury. That’s two starters and a backup ailing from injuries. Unheralded players such as undrafted rookie Zach Minter and Landon Cohen need to step up, along with players such as defensive end Corey Wootton, who is now being forced to play out of position. The personnel department needs to help in this area, too, by beating the streets for suitable talent to acquire, and that will be a difficult proposition.

    Podlesh rebounds: The Bears brought in six punters for workouts Tuesday after Adam Podlesh produced a rancid performance against the Lions in Week 4, finishing with a net average of 28.8 yards. But Podlesh bounced back with a decent outing against the Saints. He finished with a net average of 44.8 yards, including a 54-yard effort in the first half, his best outing since Nov. 19 of last season.

    Rush improved, but not enough: With the injuries mounting, it’s likely the pass rush will continue to be an issue for this team. The Bears sacked Drew Brees twice and have registered six sacks over the past three games. But the club needs to apply even more pressure. There’s no way Brees should be allowed enough time to complete nearly 83 percent of his passes.
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    Trestman's play calling was not impressive in the first half.
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    So true... And then I think what the calls would have been like if Tice were making them, and I calm down again....

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