espn Upon further review Bears wk 7

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/
    Upon Further Review: Bears Week 7
    October, 21, 2013
    12:00PM ET
    By Michael C. Wright | ESPN.com
    A review of four hot issues from the Chicago Bears' 45-41 loss to the Washington Redskins:

    Run defense: The Redskins kept the Bears off balance all game with their ability to run the football. Alfred Morris averaged 5 yards per carry, while Robert Griffin III averaged 7.6. By establishing the run, the Redskins kept the Bears on their heels, thus opening up other facets of the game. Typically, the Bears shut down the run, making opponents one dimensional. But Chicago hasn’t been able to accomplish that objective consistently this season. Certainly, injuries along the front four contribute to the problem, but until the Bears solve the issue, teams will continue to gash them on the ground before taking chunks through the air via play action.

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    Geoff Burke/USA TODAY SportsMatt Forte rushed for 82 yards and two scores after halftime against the Redskins.
    Inconsistency against the pass: Jordan Reed became the third Bears opponent to catch at least nine passes for 134 yards or more. An anemic pass rush from the injury-riddled front plays a role, but up-and-down play at safety between Chris Conte and Major Wright seems to be Chicago’s most pronounced deficiency against the pass. Coming into the season, Conte and Wright seemed destined to become a productive duo at safety for the Bears. Wright has graded out higher than Conte for the majority of the season because of his takeaways and run support, but together, they’ve been more of a liability on the back end than the playmakers the club envisioned. The Bears yielded five completions for gains of 26 yards or more, including 30-, 38- and 45-yarders.

    Feeding Forte: They don’t seem to be involving Matt Forte enough early on, and that’s diminished Chicago’s ability to find a rhythm. In six first-half drives, the Bears handed off to Forte just four times, including only once in each of the first two possession. Forte didn’t receive back-to-back attempts until the team’s second drive of the second quarter. By then, Washington held a 17-10 lead. Forte carried four times for nine yards and a score in the first half, yet finished the game with 91 yards and three TDs on 16 attempts. The offense should run through Forte from the onset.

    Veterans on the front four: Given the injuries, inexperience and inconsistency on the defensive line, veterans Julius Peppers, Stephen Paea and Corey Wootton need to step up and start carrying the group. Peppers finally showed up on the stat sheet with seven tackles, while Paea and Wootton contributed two tackles apiece. Still, that’s not enough. The team needs even more, especial in the pass-rushing department. One of the best to play the game at his position, Peppers hasn’t contributed a sack since September.
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    one of the reason why our O looked better when jay went out is the fact we started using Forte, i dont get it, we have excellent rb's and a better oline, that 1st forte td - huge hole, why are we no trying that. i guess we will now!
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    I'd like to know how the many of those runs went the way of Shea, Pepp, and how many were up the middle.
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    This was a head scratcher for me too. The poor run blocking by the OL may be part of the reason. The yards Forte gets seems to be mostly due to Forte and not due to anything good the OL is doing. This offensive line is fairly decent pass blocking. But run blocking they just don't seem very good (with a few notable exceptions.....there are some times where they run block well, but the consistency is not there by any means).
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    They never mix up their running game. The Bears have a higher average running the ball than they did under Martz or Tice, but they have a lower percentage of running plays called, than Tice. IDK, I just hope McCown is "serviceable", and they increase the running game.
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    Forte is not going to break every run for a long TD, but if you give him the ball more than 4 time in a half then the odds increase slightly :)

    I honestly think that with Cutler in the game, both he and the coaches think that they can press the ball down the field. Some of the best play that I have seen from Jay was when the plays were designed to be 5 yard routes with the ball coming out quick. He had a great drive against Pittsburg that was nothing but timing and short to intermediate routes. He made it look easy!

    Then when they start cheating the safeties into that box he is able to take a deep shot and have better success at completing it.

    I guess what I'm saying is let the short stuff and run game set up the long pass.

    On Defense, I have no idea what we can do there, Rogers is going to kill us even with some of his play makers out.
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    Only thing you can do for the D, and certain fans don't want to hear it, is to keep the O on the field and win ToP, or at least keep it close, especially in the first half to keep the D fresh in the 2nd.
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    I agree, and McCown might be good here. He's not a vertical guy, but more of a guy who dinks and dunks, moving the chains, eating the clock. Throw in a healthy dose of Forte running the ball & it could help our TOP immensely - and I agree, help out our defense by not having them on the field so much.
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    McCown is also more of a 50% comp guy that is more likely to throw an INT or fumble the ball then he is to throw a TD. Lets hope Trestman can fix him better then he fixed Cutler b/c he needs more help then Cutler did.

    We might well start to see the Forte we thought we would see in this system though, and if the OL can get some holes opened up early it will be a huge help...and hopefully a little more Mikey Bushy also.
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    I would disagree. How often do you see Cutler going to the dumpoff to Forte, when he instead throws into double coverage? I think Trestman's WCO is predicated on getting QUICK passes out, and that includes the runningback. Cutler's not a perfect fit for the system. He had the same problems last year, when Tice was calling the plays. He ALWAYS ignored the runningback, who could get us 4-5 yards on a quick pass.
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    Henry, you are absolutely right. I was at the game in DC this Sunday and I can tell you personally (prob can't see this on TV) that Forte was WIDE OPEN in the flat/on a swing route over and over and was ignored or overlooked. Drove me insane to see what the QB didn't or didn't want to look at. These were easy 8 yarders no problem and could have also been broken for big gainers if he made a guy miss down the sideline. It happened repeatedly.
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    [​IMG] Geoff Burke/USA TODAY SportsMatt Forte rushed for 82 yards and two scores after halftime against the Redskins.

    Isn't that Merriweather chasing Forte on his long run? No wonder Forte is trucking, he didn't want to get concussed. ;p

    btw, you could see it on the TV, w/both Cutler AND McCown in. But I think you'll see more passes goto the RB in the coming weeks.
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    Bout damn time, too. Bush is making WAY too much money as an unused backup, and they've FINALLY started using Forte in the slot.
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    Ok, wasn't sure if you could see it on TV. And you're right, McCown did it too (which I ascribe more to being desperate to get the ball downfield fast late in the game). I know it's the QBs blind side for a righty but Forte was open in the left flat A LOT. And I mean...no one within 8 yards of him.
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    Here's Adam Hoge breaking down the game, specifically play action:
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/10...why-the-bears-struggled-with-the-read-option/
    Hoge’s Week 7 Rewind: Why The Bears Struggled With The Read-Option
    October 22, 2013 1:35 PM
    By Adam Hoge-

    After every game during the season, Adam Hoge reviews the film and highlights the best and worst performances while also providing some observations.
    (CBS) The Bears defense failed on many levels Sunday against the Redskins, but the unit especially struggled defending the zone read-option.
    Bears head coach Marc Trestman said Monday that the Bears had 10 chances to defend the read-option and they only fit it properly twice.
    After going back and watching every read-option Robert Griffin III ran in the game, the problems appear to be due to both scheme and execution (particularly with the linebackers). And, as you’ll see, rookie middle linebacker Jon Bostic is involved a lot.
    Let’s take a look at a couple the Bears failed to defend and one they defended nicely.
    This first one came at the end of the first quarter:
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    As you can see, RGIII reads the defensive end (in this case Shea McClellin) and keeps the ball because McClellin crashes inside. Bostic is right behind McClellin and comes around him. If he diagnoses the play correctly, he has a chance to stuff Griffin right away. That’s not what happens though.
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    Instead, Bostic (circled) follows Alfred Morris, who doesn’t have the ball, leaving Griffin with a blocker and room to run.
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    The All-22 look shows you how far inside Bostic (small circle) ends up. Further complicating matters is safety Chris Conte, who ran into the box to the defend the run, but also bit on the handoff. He essentially blocks James Anderson out of the play as a result (larger circle) and RGIII picks up 13 yards.
    The next play, however, is an example of the Bears making an adjustment and fitting the read-option well:
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    Once again, Griffin is reading McClellin, who goes inside, but that’s likely by design as Bostic and Lance Briggs are committed to getting to the outside to keep contain. This is the “crash and scrape” technique where the C-defender (McClellin) takes the inside and the linebackers fill the B and C gaps. Griffin keeps the ball because McClellin plays Morris, but he has nowhere to go with the two Bears linebackers containing him. Unfortunately, this stop gets wiped out because Landon Cohen (No. 97) is called for illegal hands to the face.
    This adjustment by the Bears probably wasn’t hard to make because the Redskins weren’t exactly hiding their read-option plays. Morris (not Roy Helu) was in the backfield for every single one with Griffin in shotgun and an extra blocker offset in the backfield. But that doesn’t mean the Redskins weren’t ready to counter with their own adjustment.
    On this next play, the Redskins originally line up without the extra blocker in the backfield, but tight end Logan Paulsen motions into the backfield just before the snap. As a result, the Bears don’t look ready for the read-option.
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    This time it’s Julius Peppers being read and he doesn’t keep contain, playing the handoff to Morris. The linebackers do not shift over like they did on the previous play and Griffin has the entire left side to himself once he keeps the ball. The only reason he only gained nine yards on this play is because Lance Briggs (who is the farthest of three linebackers) takes a good angle and uses his elite speed to force Griffin out of bounds.
    The Bears said all week that they were ready for Griffin to run more in this game, but they simply weren’t ready to stop him once he did.
    Five Highest Grades
    QB Josh McCown - The backup quarterback was simply great. He only made one questionable throw, putting Brandon Marshall in a tough spot on the play Brandon Merriweather was called for hitting a defenseless receiver illegally, but otherwide McCown showed great touch and decision making. He threw a number of short outside throws where he led his receiver nicely.
    RB Matt Forte - The running back gained 91 yards on 16 carries and did it in style. On his first touchdown run, he leaped over both Kyle Long and the guy on the ground who had been put there by Long. Later, on his 50-yard touchdown run, Forte made a great read at the last second and jump-cut behind the block of Brandon Marshall to give himself nothing but green grass on the way to the end zone.
    WR Alshon Jeffery – Jeffery got it done both on the ground and in the air. He caught four passes for 105 yards (averaging a staggering 26.3 yards per catch) and he also ran for 16 yards on two end-arounds. He showed incredible strength bouncing off a would-be tackler on the Bears’ final touchdown drive, getting the ball down to the 10 yard line. His only blunder was a big one though as he bobbled a pass from Jay Cutler and it was picked off by Brian Orakpo and returned for a touchdown.
    LB Lance Briggs – Believe it or not, there were a few defensive players who played well Sunday. Briggs was one of them. Before suffering a shoulder injury in the third quarter that will keep him out around six weeks, Briggs racked up eight tackles, two TFLs (was only credited for one) and two pass defenses. It’s scary to think about what this defense will look like without their best player and signal caller.
    DE Corey Wootton – Wootton was only credited with a two tackles, a TFL and a quarterback hit, but he quick into the backfield all game long and along with Paea did a really good job of taking the middle away from the Redskins. Most of Washington’s gains were to the outside.
    Five Lowest Grades
    S Chris Conte – There’s no way to get around it — it was rough day for the safety. Besides the most obvious blunder when he ran into Aldrick Robinson and fell down on what was essentially a prayer to the end zone, Conte also struggled with tight end Jordan Reed for most of the day and was caught out of position on runs.
    DE Shea McClellin – Phil Emery can say McClellin is improving, but put me in the camp that thinks otherwise. This is the fourth game in a row he has come out with a negative grade.
    S Major Wright – Wright really struggled in the fourth quarter, over-pursuing and getting out of position on a number of run plays.
    LB Jonathan Bostic – He’ll get better at diagnosing run vs pass — and playing the read-option in your first career start isn’t easy — but what’s concerning is how he struggled to get off blocks once the Redskins engaged.
    LB James Anderson – Anderson had a similar problem with getting off blocks and he also struggled to keep contain on both read-option plays and RGIII bootlegs.
    Other Observations
    - Speaking of the bootleg, that was just as big of a problem for the Bears as the read-option. The linebackers were constantly sucked in with no contain.
    - Rookie linebacker Khaseem Greene leveled Logan Paulsen on Devin Hester’s 81-yard punt return for a touchdown. Meanwhile, Joe Anderson is lucky he wasn’t called for a block in the back.
    - The coaching staff (or a veteran on the field) has to help out Chris Conte on the three-yard touchdown pass to Jordan Reed with 33 seconds left in the first half. No one was lined up on Reed so Conte ran out there at the last second and was put on an island with Reed. The Bears still had one timeout left and they never should have let the Redskins snap the ball in that situation. It was a huge play right before the half and the Bears could have kept it a 20-17 game instead of a 24-17. They ended up taking that timeout with them to the locker room.
    Adam Hoge covers the Bears for CBSChicago.com and is a frequent contributor to 670 The Score. Follow him on Twitter at @AdamHoge.
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    If you guys don't listen to the score, well I get it, but you should at least listen Holmes when he has Bowen on to break down 4 key plays. It's a really good. It's normally done in his first hour, he did it yesterday, and after Bowen he talks w/Hunter Hillenmeyer about the game also, they do this every week. Bowen was a Safety for in the pro's, played for the Skins, we all know who HH is.

    here's the link:

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/audio/

    click on 670 AM and then find Laurence Holmes and click on him, then look for the below:

    Laurence Holmes Hour 1 - 10-22-13
    October 23, 2013
    In the first hour of the show Laurence and Bleacher Report’s Matt Bowen take their weekly visit into The Film Room to break down the Bears loss to the Redskins on Sunday and what went wrong. And later Laurence talks with former Bear Hunter Hillenmeyer about the impacts of losing Jay Cutler and Lance Briggs and how they move forward without them.
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    We need to get the old mentality back of "We get off the bus running."
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    I missed it, and it wasn't discussed much, but tonight Hub was talking to another beat writer and said that a few weeks ago Trestman expressed in one of his meetings w/the press that more work needed to be done to get the right play called at the line, not necessarily the run, but in some instances that a run would have been better then a slant or other play that was called. So it's quite possible that Cutler hasn't fully grasped what is going on; but from what they said he gets 4 plays and is supposed to call the right one based on the D alignment and adjustments. I doubt that McCown will get that much leeway, and that might be helpful.
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