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Discussion in 'Chicago Bears' started by soulman, Aug 27, 2013.
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Fixed it for ya. ;-)
Actually Ford has 101 yards rushing on 30 attempts and another 52 receiving plus a very long KOR that nearly went for six. He's also been playing with second string lineman and a second string QB so comparing his production with Allen's during the 2012 season isn't apples to apples. He's also made a couple of nice plays in kick coverage so they're more equal than you think.
I think what it comes down to is Allen's hammy and Fords ability to block on blitzes. The two or them will square off Thursday night so we'll see how it goes down but right now I'd say Ford has an advantage unless Allen seriously outplays him in the Browns game.
Hardin plays STeams. In fact that's his strength right now until he learns the Safety spot. If it came down to Steltz and Hardin all things being equal you have to go with Hardin because of his speed, size and upside. Steltz is a good as he'll ever be and in pass coverage that's not very good.
Not necessarily. That was the rap on Jennings. He dropped too many picks. So he spent the offseason working on it and goes out and leads the NFL in picks. Onobun may not be a natural pass catcher but he can learn which is what it seems they're trying to do with him.
True but that sure ain't sayin' much.
That whole pass protection thing keeping Allen on the roster is stupid if you ask me. Lets say Bush or Forte go down, if it's 3rd down the healthy guy will be in there of Forte and Bush not Armando Allen or Ford, if its an obvious passing down and both Bush and Forte are hurt, would you rather have someone like Maneri/Adams/Fiametta being an extra blocker or Allen/Ford? I'd pick the TE/FB over Allen or Ford, so to me that argument is rather dumb with regards to a 3rd string RB. Special Teams is the argument and they are about even there, so it comes down to who do the coaches like more.
I still feel like Webb has value, he makes next to nothing, certainly could fill in at LT or RT he would probably be better than Scott at both positions. So I'm not sure he goes anywhere.
I like Ford (similar to our Adrian Peterson) over Allen (another Garrett Wolfe type player).
Onobun was wide open on two of those drops.... just saying that he has the knack to get open (Wide Open). He will need to catch everything in his zip code and score in order to make them double think cutting him.
That kind or how I saw it too. Ford is a lot like AP but maybe a little more elusive as a runner. I'd take Allen over Wolfe for the same reason and he may be better at blocking than Ford. If Ford struggles with his blitz pickup he's gonna lose points but if not I think he'll edge Allen out.
You're comparing a CB to TE if CB drops no big deal would be nice for int but just knocking ball down is enough from them. However, TE that is his job and catching or not catching the ball like CB isn't option. Maybe he can improve his hands hope so for his sake because he 's on the proverbial bubble. At least this crew not selling him as elite TE.
PS GM 1
Michael Fordatt 6yds 15td 1lng 4
Michael Fordrec 3yds 35td 0lng 13
Michael Fordatt 15yds 28td 0lng 10
Michael Fordrec 2yds 1td 0lng 3
Michael Fordatt 9yds 58td 1lng 17
Michael Fordrec 2yds 16td0 lng 11
Against 2nd and 3rd PS:
30 attempts 101 yards, 3.7 ypc
7 rec 64 yds 9.14
Allen last year reg season
27 attmpts 124 yards 4.6 ypa
2 rec 16 yards 8 ypc
Allen is also a key ST player last year in the reg season, Ford is showing he could also be but again that is also against scrubs, and Allen is also better at blitz protection, which is important since he's been practicing in pass plays where Forte's playing WR. Ya Ford is playing w/and against 2nd/3rd stringers, but that's the point, it's hard to say he's outplaying or better then Allen when Allen has played better against real competition.
If Allen is in fact hurt, then you replace him no questions asked, but if both are healthy then I think they have a hell of a decision on their hand. I think it's a shame they cannot keep both really. Ford probably does have a higher ceiling to be a #2, but Allen is a legit change of pace back that the team really doesn't have, he's a legit home run threat that even Forte/Bush aren't(Forte frusteratingly gets caught from behind often). Ford is in no shape way or form faster then Allen but he is definately bigger and stronger and could be a nice replacement to Bush next year if he continues to develop.
I have no real comment other then what has been talked about on ESPN chicago and 670 the score and what's been written on the net and in the newspapers about the situation, and a lot of said Hardin has had a bad camp and is on the hot seat. If he makes the team over Steltz, sweet was never a fan of Steltz's anyway, so in that I hope you're right.
He scares me too. Serious question here. Have we ever seen a Bears player develop "good hands" and overcome the stone-hands thing? Maybe this has happened and I just can't remember. But it seems like we've had a boat load of stone hands guys who we kept around just to see them STAY stone hands guys until we got rid of them.
He's the TE version of J'Marcus Webb - INCONSISTENT and can't be counted on when you need him.
I think we're in denial if we think this guy is going to ever be a guy who can be counted on to catch the ball in key situations. I've seen THIS before and know the ending. It sucks.