Guess who is 7th in the entire NFL in QB rating? (QB's with at least 70 pass attempts)

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    I agree that McCown's age is a barrier towards becoming a starting QB in this league. But what does his history have to do with anything? You have to look at how well the player is producing now. McCown's performance during his time in Arizona isn't relevant. I know that statement is going to cause you to break out the calculator and tell me his lifetime completion percentage, but there are more important questions that an NFL team should ask themselves.

    Is he healthy? Can he move and make plays with his feet? Is his arm strong enough to make plays? Is he able to learn an NFL offense? Can he play under pressure? Is he making plays now? This isn't baseball and batting averages. There is so much more to consider, especially since much of McCown's success is from his level of preparedness and the strength of our receivers and line protection.

    They aren't letting Cutler walk this offseason. I just don't see it. Every time someone asks this question on the Score, which feels like every 15 minutes, they say that from what Emery and Trestman have shown in their interviews and attitude, they are keeping Cutler. If they keep Cutler, I hope they keep McCown. They have a good relationship with each other, he knows this system, and I think having McCown around will help Jay with his weaknesses in ball control.
     
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    this is wonderful and all but Cutler has a high ankle sprain along with his other injury and the Bears lost to Detroit. What looked like a good run is a shaky bunch of stuff now
     
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    I think we are keeping Cutler, prob via the FT. A LTD is possible depending upon how reasonable Cutler is. On one hand, he's definitely made strides and is in the top 1/3rd or so of starting QBs in the league now (Rivers/Romo level). On the other hand, he hasn't stayed healthy enough to play a full season since 2009, he hasn't demonstrated the ability to consistently win big games, and he isn't in his 20s anymore. I do hope Jay realizes that his current setup is his best chance to succeed and that Emery isn't Jerry Jones (not gonna hand him the keys to the vault with the franchise tag and an upcoming deep draft in his back pocket).

    They have to keep McCown which shouldn't be too hard given his refreshing humility and non-egotistical attitude. He'd be great to have around to mentor a 3rd-4th round rookie and has shown the ability in the TCO to get you a couple wins as a backup (which is all you could possibly ask of any vet 2nd stringer). In fact, if the D had gotten one damn stop in Washington and Trestman had pulled Cutler in the 2nd Q when he was clearly not 100%/hurt vs Detroit, McCown could easily be 3-0 right now. 2-1 at worst. Valuable guy to have around and a lot of teams would kill to have a vet backup with those qualities.

    It will give us a lot to talk about in the offseason and sports writers looooovvve "QB controversies", but we are actually in pretty good shape there going forward. No reason I see that either of these guys won't be a Bear next year (along with a draftee). Good "problem" to have. Emery is gonna have his hands full trying to duct tape the defense back together as it his so I don't see a need to add QB to his list of woes.
     
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    No you don't, at least GM's won't. They will see a 35yr old qb next year that had one great season out of his career, it will be looked at as an outlier, that came more from his HC being a great qb coach then the actual player itself. GM's don't bring in 35 year old career backups to be their starters b/c they had one great season, it just doesn't happen.
     
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    Dude, are you saying that the only reason McCown is playing well right now is because of Trestman and no credit should be given to McCown himself?

    His age is a factor. That was the first sentence I typed. I don't believe he will be a starting QB because a team cannot build around him long term. But, if he were younger by three years, what would his history in Arizona as a rookie have to do with anything if he is playing at a capable level now?
     
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    History says Trestman gets the lions share of the credit yes, both Trestmans history and McCowns history say that the primary ingrediant to his high level of play is Trestman.

    Now give all the credit to McCown for absorbing the information and allowing himself to grow and improve, but if you're a GM why would you want a 35 year old starting qb who has been a career failure except for 1 year when that 1 year was w/one of the best QB coaches of the modern era? You wouldn't. You'd go w/a young much cheaper qb and groom them, or a younger starter that has shown far more upside previously, ie a guy like Cutler or Schaub. If you are listening to anyone on the team and any analysts you will know that McCown is limited in what he can do, he cannot make all the throws that a starting qb needs to.
     
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    McCown's not a starter, end of story. Look at how well Jason Campbell is playing in Cleveland this year, with a real OC (Norv Turner), and you'll see that, for Chicago, it's always been an incredibly flawed offensive system, that has been holding the team back, not mainly average players. McCown is also 34, and, if you need a weather man to tell you to wear an umbrella when it's raining, I'll clue you in: he's too old to be anything of permanent value to this team, and any hypothetical situations brought up for pondering are just stupid. Dude's 34, throws like a girl and "plays smart", which is just a euphemism for "Knows he's very limited with his arm strength, so he doesn't try the throws that Cutler does".
     
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    Henry:

    While I appreciate your telling me what to think (makes things easier for me), we disagree. I think in a system like we have, McCown is starter quality. He is too old to do it much longer, but he does not have much wear and tear, and by starter quality, I mean that his results are comparable to other starters in the league. He is able to come back from a deficit, he can move the ball, and he can score. He is not the most nimble, nor does he have the strongest arm, but not everyone else that is starting does.

    He would not be my pick over Cutler, but that does mean that he is not of starter level quality for this offense.

    So while I am not telling you what what anyone should be thinking, "end of story", those are my opinions. They are different than yours. The board is big enough for both, I think.
     
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    I figure let's just be thankful we have a solid backup this year. Most years we haven't even had a solid starter. As a backup, McCown is really solid. Certainly he is a better backup than 90% of the other teams in the NFL have. I don't care if he's a starter or not. Just want him to be a good backup for us. Normally when your starter goes down to long term injury, your season ends there. But I have the feeling we have a backup who can actually help us win a few games. And if we do lose some games with him at QB, it probably won't be him who loses the games for us. Heaven knows we have plenty of other positions that can now lose games for us (on defense).
     
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    I respect your opinion BiH, but it has no basis in how the NFL works, your points are valid but no GM is putting himself on the line for a 35 yr old qb w/no arm strength and that is what we are talking about. He's not the starting qb for the Bears next year, that is Cutler or a rookie, and no team otuside of the Bears is going to sign him as a starter, if Campbell and Orton cannot be starters, then neither is McCown.

    And again I go back to Orton's first 8 games in Den compared to the rest of his time there. The more tape teams get on McCown, just like Orton, the more limited he will become. It took teams 8 games to figure Orton out, it won't take that long to figure out McCown's tendencies and start to crowd the box b/c of his lack of arm.
     
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