Holmes May Be Boom or Bust But I'm Sticking With Boom.........

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    Santonio Holmes might provide a boost or be a bust

    BY MARK POTASH Staff Reporter August 18, 2014 9:06PM

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    On his first day with the Bears, wide receiver Santonio Holmes already seemed to have a keen awareness of a vital key to success that the Bears themselves took years to figure out — keep Jay Cutler happy.

    Despite a Super Bowl MVP award, a 1,200-yard receiving season and a well-earned reputation as a big-play performer, Holmes’ success in Chicago is virtually dependent on developing a working relationship with Cutler that can make or break you around here. Cutler cussed out Mike Martz, grew frustrated with Devin Hester, ignored Mike Tice, shoved J’Marcus Webb and, most recently, barked at Eric Weems.

    They are all gone. Cutler has seven years left on a $127 million contract — the first three of which are guaranteed. He’s not going anywhere.

    Holmes, who clicked with Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh but feuded with Mark Sanchez with the Jets, knows how important it is to connect with Cutler.

    “It’s going to be big,” said Holmes on Monday after his first practice with the Bears at Halas Hall. “He knows who I am and I know who he is. I know what he has to offer and I have to prove to him what I have to offer to the team, which is showing up, being on time, being accountable, catching every pass from him and showing him how hard I want to work on offense.”

    Connecting with Cutler is even more important for Holmes with the Bears because he’s coming in cold and probably doesn’t have a lot of time to prove himself. You don’t bring in Santonio Holmes to be a work-in-progress.

    The timing might be right. Holmes, who like Cutler turned 30 this year, has caught the maturing Bears quarterback in his mentor phase. They’ve both endured degrees of persecution in their up-and-down NFL careers, so they have at least that in common, and maybe more.

    “I’m excited to be here with him. He’s taken me under his wing,” Holmes said. “He’s talked to me and kept me close. I’m pretty sure it’s going to be exciting for us all.”

    Holmes, who was cut by the Jets after last season — with two years remaining on a five-year, $45 million contract he signed in 2011 — and was unsigned three weeks into training camp, was upbeat about the opportunity to re-establish himself in the NFL.

    “I’ve got an opportunity to play again and I feel great about it,” he said. “I’m going to embrace this opportunity and take advantage of it. It’s a great group for me to be around and I’m looking forward to what we have.”

    It remains to be seen if Holmes will be good enough and healthy enough and — perhaps most importantly —whether he can learn quickly enough to establish himself as a threat in the Bears’ offense. But the upside is good enough that it’s worth a shot.

    “I’m excited about it,” Bears coach Marc Trestman said. “I’ve watched him work the last couple of days. He’s been out running and catching the ball with Jay and the guys. It’s good to see him out there. We’ll see how it goes. It will be one day at a time. He’s got a lot of learning to do.”

    Holmes arrives with a checkered past — legal issues with Steelers and a reputation as a disruptive locker-room personality.

    “That’s in the past,” Holmes said. “It’s neither here nor there right now. I think being in this new organization is a new move for me and a great opportunity for me to take advantage of.”

    Teammates who had been with him elsewhere — Ryan Mundy with the Steelers and Matt Slauson and Matthew Mulligan with the Jets — were enthusiastic about Holmes’ arrival.

    “I think he’s a great teammate,” Slauson said. “Things out in New York got overblown just because of the way things went on there. It wasn’t easy at times. There was a lot of crap going on.

    “He’s a very passionate guy and that’s all it was — just him being a passionate player. There were a lot of guys who weren’t happy at times, the way things were being run. But what he can do for this team is incredible. So I’m super excited to have him part of this team. He makes us a much stronger offense gives us al the more weapons.”

    The dysfunction of the Jets locker room might have played a role in Holmes’ problems there. Mundy, who played two seasons with Holmes in Pittsburgh, didn’t see that part of him.

    “In Pittsburgh we had a great group of guys — a lot of veteran leadership,” Mundy said. “Guys who understood how to ‘police the locker room.’ And it wasn’t like Santonio was a problem guy. He did what he needed to do. He’s a special guy. A great playmaker and I have nothing but good things to say about him. And good memories about him.”

    Trestman didn’t ignore the baggage that came with Holmes. But a more favorable environment — after what likely has been a humbling experience — might bring out the best in Holmes.

    “We’ve spent time with him,” Trestman said. “People change. They get into new venues, new environments. You’re out for awhile. You get a hard look at where you are — not only in your work life [but] other aspects of your life.

    “We feel he’s coming here in a good place. He’s coming into a great locker room. Guys have reached out to him and are willing to help him and give him an opportunity to help our team. But it will be a process and it will be day-to-day. But [we’re] off to a good start and we’ll see where it takes us.”
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    I think Mark Potash did a nice job on this column. It's a far more fair portrayal of Homles that many others have done. I also think that if you really want to know about a guy you talk to the guys who've played with him screw what the media writes or has to say. Negativity sells advertising because some people just love to read or hear about the worst in their fellow man.

    Reading what Matt Slauson has to say I find it very believable. The Jets were a zoo with Sanchez at QB. That team has been a mess for quite a while now. Mundy says he's was terrific in Pittsburgh and all I can think of is his getting bad press for leaving for the BBD the Jets offered.

    I think that happens a lot when players move on just like Cutler bad rap here in Denver followed him to Chicago. Now it's an entirely different story. In fact we have a whole bunch of guys on that offense who are "changed men".

    What I like hearing about Holmes is his passion for the game. That matches up pretty well with the other guys on that offense who feel much the same. What I've liked seeing in Holmes is his ability to get open and make the clutch catch. He's really a smaller Earl Bennett with more speed.

    We'll know soon enough what we have because if he doesn't show any more chemistry hooking up with Cutler than Weems did he won't make the final cut and he'll have one of the shortest Bears careers on record. I don't think that's gonna happen though. The guy has too much talent not take a reason chance with.
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    I am sure there is something to all the print but all in all it sounds like it was blown out of proportion. Sometimes a positive setting is what a guy needs, look no further than Marshall. Yeah he had a medical disorder too, but positive settings help stabilize many things, I expect he willl be a model player with the Bears, positive setting and he has to realize he is no spring chicken in football terms. I just hope he has some gas left in the the tank, at 30 he should, many great receivers make it to there mid 30's, no reason why Holmes can not excel for a couple more years.
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    You're telling me the New York press was blowing things out of proportion? Never....:rofl:
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    Life has a way of humbling people over time. This includes a lot of football players too. I wouldn't be surprised if Holmes is a model player for us like Brandon Marshall is now. And if he doesn't work out, he'll be gone. This just seems like a low risk and high reward thing. Emery may have hit a home run here, but only time will tell.
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    ahhh... that's why he has the bat...
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    I'm excited at the possibility of Holmes being 2007-2009 Santonio Holmes. I thought he was an outstanding young receiver then. For me, an interesting question is, how come he was available at this point at that price?
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    ..and I am sticking with "BOOM BOOM!"

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    Technically, that would be a bust...
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    Cutler thinks Santonio Holmes can be good fit
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    LAKE FOREST, Ill. (AP) -- The Chicago Bears have sorted through numerous candidates to find a suitable replacement for injured third wide receiver Marquess Wilson the past three weeks.

    So quarterback Jay Cutler sees nothing wrong with giving a chance to a player with a so-so past.
    When the Bears signed former Jets and Steelers receiver Santonio Holmes Saturday to vie for an opening caused by Wilson's broken collarbone, it took only a short time before Cutler and Holmes were working together on the offense.

    ''You know, Santonio was here, probably had signed his contract and 60 minutes later he was on the field with Jay, and throwing routes,'' Bears offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer said.
    Cutler has gotten a good look the past two days in practice at Holmes and anticipates Holmes making an impact in a competition with former veteran Josh Morgan.

    ''It looks good,'' Cutler said. ''He's explosive. He'd probably to be honest - he's a little bit rusty. He's been out of football.

    ''But getting in and out of cuts, catches the ball well, extremely explosive, fast. He's exciting. We've just got to get him caught up with everything right now. It's hard coming in where we are offensively and just kind of throwing him into the mix.''

    It's possible Holmes will play Friday at Seattle in the third preseason game. But the first chance at the spot Friday will go to Morgan, a former Washington Redskin and San Francisco 49er.
    ''He's had two good weeks of practice, two good games, productive games,'' coach Marc Trestman said of Morgan. ''He's made plays out there. ''I think he deserves a chance to step up now and get the first opportunity to do that.''

    The 30-year-old Holmes had 23 catches last year, the second-lowest total of his career, while battling a hamstring injury. The Jets cut him to save $8.25 million against the salary cap. He had suffered a career-threatening foot injury in 2012, but says he is over the injuries.

    Questions still linger about a dispute he had with former Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez, and an argument he got into with tackle Wayne Hunter that led to his benching in a 2011 Jets game.

    ''That's in the past,'' Holmes said. ''It's neither here nor there right now. I think being in this new organization is a new move for me and a great opportunity for me to take advantage of and be part of a great organization.''

    Wide receiver Brandon Marshall is the Bears receiver leader, and in the past a controversial figure himself.

    ''We came in together,'' Holmes said about Marshall. ''He's a great guy, first and foremost. He's a Pro Bowler and he leads by example.''

    Trestman thinks Holmes is a good fit regardless of his past.

    ''I mean, people change, they get into new venues, new environments,'' Trestman said. ''You're out for a while, you get a hard look at where you are. Not only in your work life as well as in other aspects of your life.

    ''We feel he's coming here in a good place, he's coming into a great locker room. Guys have reached out to him and are willing to help him and give him an opportunity to help our football team, but it will be a process and it will be day to day. But it's off to a good start and we'll see where it takes us.''

    A first-round draft pick by the Pittsburgh Steelers in 2006, Holmes was the Super Bowl MVP in the 2008 season. He had 79 catches for 1,248 yards and five touchdowns but was traded to the Jets for a fifth-round draft pick.

    In Wilson, the Bears have a second-year receiver who was expected to take over the third spot after Earl Bennett was allowed to leave in free agency. However, the injury could keep him out well into the regular season.

    So Cutler thinks general manager Phil Emery made the right call bringing in Holmes.
    ''I think it is a good sign that we'll take some chances on some guys and we'll bring some guys in because we know we've got a strong veteran group here and some guys that will help young guys or veteran guys along,'' Cutler said.

    ''I know that, just knowing Phil, I am sure he did his background on Santonio and talked to him numerous times and talked to his agent and was very sure when he brought him in here of what kind of player and person he was getting.''

    NOTES: Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker said safety Chris Conte is likely to get his first preseason playing time Friday after missing all offseason work and the first few weeks of training camp due to shoulder surgery. ... Wide receiver Chris Williams, who suffered a pulled hamstring on a 73-yard touchdown catch in the preseason opener, has returned to practice after a week away. ... Starting right tackle Jordan Mills remains day to day with a foot injury. ... Return specialist Darius Reynaud was signed Monday to replace Eric Weems, who was cut when Holmes was signed. He has averaged 9.7 yards per punt return and 22.6 yards a kick return in five seasons.
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    Well "Boom Boom" has one hell of a bust there. We should call her "Boob Boob" instead.

    Oh and incidentally, thanks for the mammaries. :smilebig:
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    Holmes adds yet another bigger WR with good speed. He's not as tall, but he's powerfully built and 220 pounds. B.Marsh, Alshon, Marquis, Morgan and now Holmes are all guys who run fast for bigger WR's. All of them are in that 4.45 to 4.5ish, 40yd range. Actually, I think Brandon Marshall is the slowest of those four and he's a pretty fast big man. I'm really excited about this acquisition. I feel like we're going into the season with better depth now - no matter who the #3 WR ends up being.
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    Santonio Holmes Contract, Phil Emery Does it Again

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    As most people are now well aware of, the Chicago Bears signed WR Santonio Holmes on Saturday. Now, the details as to what the contract entails have been officially released.

    One-year, at the veterans minimum of $855,000 with no money guaranteed. The Bears were able to sign Holmes with the lowest risk possible, and it was a good move. This is why the Bears chose to not go after Earl Bennett again, because he felt he was worth more and refused a pay cut.

    Phil Emery, time and time again, has shown to be more than capable in the front office. It almost makes you forget of the Jerry Angelo days. Just another smart and safe signing by Emery & Co.
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    Gotta love Uncle Phil and Cliff Stein.
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    The busts in Canton have nothing on this!
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    I heard somewhere that with his number of years/vesting that Holmes will be guaranteed the entire $855K if he is on the roster in Game 1. Is that correct or was the guy on the radio full of it?
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    He will get paid the $885 as a vested veteran, the exclusion though is the same thing they did with McCown so his salary cap hit is only the $550K or whatever the figure is.
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    You technically she's actually wearing Bronco colors with a Bears logo. Not that I'm complaining mind you. :perv:
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    Yep, that's correct. Here's a summary of how it works. It should be interesting to see how the Bears deal with some of the older players or guys who may be replaced when a guy on IR like Wilson returns.

    The benefits of making an NFL roster are plentiful for young players, but for veterans, being on the Week One roster means a guaranteed paycheck. If they are on the final roster all "vested veterans" around the league will have their entire season salary guaranteed. For those unaware, a "vested veteran" is a player with four or more accredited NFL seasons.

    The full guarantee of a "vested veteran" salary is obviously beneficial to a player that has made it past the average NFL career (3.5 years), but it can also be a curse for high-paid players that are past their prime or fringe guys with little leverage. NFL general managers are aware of the value of keeping only a select number of "vested veterans," because team's want the flexibility to wipe contracts off the books if a player is not delivering on the field. This is why you will see several talented "vested veterans" on the street during Week 1, but suddenly sign a deal on the Tuesday after the first games are played.

    When a team signs a "vested veteran" after Week 1, the organization can sign that player for the league minimum with little risk. If the player is only good enough to last a few weeks or is just signed to fill-in for an injury, the team can drop them and their salary. It is essentially a way to beat the system, while still allowing older players to catch a last paycheck or opportunity.
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    she's wearing colors? I guess I was more focused on the skin tone parts...

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