If I see Mel Tucker face to face....

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  1. short faced bear

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    Ok, the turnover machine goes away, DE's look like school children, 2nd string rb's look like HOF'ers, and tackling looks like whiffle ball. There still exists a structure of a coverage scheme where the FS doesn't get posterized week after friggin' week. How sad is it as a fan where you'd rather just see them play dime coverage so you can at least have an excuse for the near 260 yards of run fail.

    It's part and parcel: part players and part coaches.
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    Oh, I agree, but I'm placing a bigger onus on this on the number of injuries we have.
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    Take it as an individual sport. Say MMA. If you can't teach a guy to double leg, sprawl, jab, or choke it doesn't matter if it's first team or scrubs. Your not just poop your ultra poop. I'd say both injuries and coaching are equally suspect.
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    I strongly disagree with this statement. Using the MMA example, do you think Anderson Silva's trainers could get anything out of Kimbo Slice? No, because he's not nearly as good as Silva, and he flat out doesn't know the nuances of professional MMA fighting. How would that make Silva's trainers suddenly bad?
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    I agree... ANd what keeps bringing me back to Tucker is that the issue is across the board. It is not just one player that is not in position or is not tackling or making penalties. It seems to be across the board. So then your focus changes to the coach. And that is not to say that the players are not guilty or that injuries are not a factor. I'm just saying if you break it down, Tucker is sitting right in the middle of it all.
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    Of course not. Kimbo doesn't understand Brazilian.
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    You can take it as chess, checkers, backgammon or parchezzi FWIW. If you can't teach Bobby Fisher the basics of the board you functionally dislocate your talent-be it 1st round or 7th. Your not in a position to win or to improve if you lack fundamentals.
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    If you are Mel and really slick ... you blame it on players that he didnt draft.

    That keeps your ass alive for another year.

    And now we may have to ask ourselves one serious question ... would you want Lovie Smith as a D.C. ?
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    Don't hold back, man, tell us what you really think!

    Seriously though, I agree with you. Didn't like the hire, and I want to see him fired. Let Hoke take over and finish the season if that's what it takes. There is no reason for so many players to be playing so poorly. The DC has to actually do some coaching and he's not getting it done.
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    but, but...the folks are telling us he's just the poor victim of a team that's had injuries. Show some compassion for the poor misunderstood coach of the #32 ranked run defense. I'm sure the OTHER teams in the NFL didn't have any injuries. Poor Mel. My heart goes out to him :-(

    ....and I'm sure Adrian Peterson will have compassion on Mel's boy on Sunday too.
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    I'm kinda partial to the " he's not running his own D" argument. A defense that was top 5 for years with the same language etc and most of the guys (yeah, they got injured, but not all right away) still there, and he not only can't keep it from sliding... he takes it to the basement.

    But installing a completely different system is supposed to go smoother. I keep thinking I'm missing how the odds favor blowing it up and starting fresh for a guy that can't maintain status quo. Is this just me? Am I just dense? ok, forget that one... Am I wrong?
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    Good point. This just seems like the defense-equivalent of what we suffered with the offense under Lovie Smith. It seems to me that we never could get the offense right until we got a coordinator (and head coach) who could coach well & upgraded the players. Prior to that we just wasted entire seasons with people who didn't have a clue. Folks gave them excuses (like they're giving Tucker excuses now on defense) but in the end we had to get a decent coach and decent talent. I see the same thing now with the defense. We need Emery to restock the cupboard, and bring in a better defensive coordinator coach. I'm sure the players on defense will have zero confidence in Tucker after this season's debacle (and I'm not sure they bought in to him to begin with).
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    he's kinda shy that way. You need to coax him outta his shell...
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    yeah, that's how I see it. I've seen this movie. Any time wasted just brings out the timeline.
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    Dan Pompei
    Is the Bears' defensive digression due to personnel or Mel Tucker?… My take:


    When a unit plays as poorly as the Bears played Sunday, it's a poor reflection on every person associated with it. This is shaping up to be the worst Bears defense I've ever seen. No one in the defensive meeting room is going to get a game ball for that debacle. I don't believe there is a defensive coordinator in the game who could have made a significant difference in this defense. However, I do believe the defense would be significantly better if it had Henry Melton, Stephen Paea, Turk McBride, Nate Collins, Sedrick Ellis, Lance Briggs, D.J. Williams, Charles Tillman and Kelvin Hayden. As the old axiom goes, it's not about the Xs and Os, it's about the Jimmys and Joes. The way I saw it, there were a lot of mistakes made because of inexperience, unfamiliarity and lack of confidence. That's what happens when you have as many injuries to as many key players as the Bears have had.

    Looking through his history on this website, he and I share pretty much the same opinions. I think you guys will find his takes on various subjects involving the Bears very interesting. To put it more eloquently: Pompei > Tebow > ESPN.
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    Remember how Lovie couldn't get an OC to come here when he first got hired? Tucker was choice #3 or 4 or 40. I think we are going to see a change after the year.
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    Do you? I'll take that bet and hope that I lose.
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    The combo of TOUB and MARINELLI was too good to let walk. But we did.

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