If we had an opportunity to sign OT Jonathan Martin cheap, should we do that?

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  1. The Benjamin

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    Again, I did not read the report, but do we know 100% that he did not try talking to the coaches first?
     
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    Come on man, you said it first and I replied to your usage of the term, don't try and blame your poor word choice on me...

    Martin did what he did for his own reasons, maybe he felt that approaching the front office would only make his situation worse. You keep talking about Philbin, like you know for afact that he would have handled the situation... for a HC to not be aware of this kind of shit, that tells me he's incompetent and I probably wouldn't have gone to him either. The HC sets the tone and should be aware of all the comings and goings of his players. His inaction and/or lack of control is more than likely why Martin went outside the chain of command.
     
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    That said, I'm a fan of keeping things in-house, but sometimes that's not realistic.
     
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    You're ignoring the fact that he didn't go to ESPN first though...he checked himself into a hospital.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9904868/jonathan-martin-miami-dolphins-leaves-team

    ESPN didn't get wind of the whole bullying thing from Martin, and it wasn't till incognito was suspended by the team that his name was associated with Martin.
     
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    I thought that was the bottom-line in all of this. This is what builds championship teams on ANY level in ANY team sport. The dysfunctional sewer in Miami isn't the way to win championships. Quite the contrary.
     
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    Im with Ric and Chicago66 among others on this.

    Martin maybe doesnt seem to have the mentality for the NFL. I've played 4 different team sports across 3 continents in my time and although never got past club rugby, semi pro soccer, university / amateur football, high school cricket, i've seen a lot of different types of locker rooms. there is no ONE type of locker room. its Miami's fault for letting this happen if they didnt weant that type of locker room or for drafting a sensitive soul like Martin if he so clearly didnt fit in. I've played with a load of guys like incognito in my rugby days, you get hazed, you take it, you give some shit back, you earn your stripes. these are the locker rooms that generally have the greatest loyalty and cameraderie in my experience. I've seen a lot of full-on shit happen to rooks and a lot of it unpleasant but that's the nature of the beast. I'm sure if truth be told there's a few of you on here who can tell some pretty grisly tales from Frathouse initiations and probably still count those days as some of the best of your life!??

    I've read a lot of the excerpts and while its full-on, I didnt read anything that really shocked me. I've seen it all before. so if a limey like me who has never got past the beer-swilling yahoos in the pub rugby team, or past the semi-pro wannabes on the soccer field has experienced all this then it hardly sounds out of the ordinary!

    Miami screwed up, Incognito is probably a self-confessed asshole and Martin needs to wise up. much ado about nothing.
     
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    You never did it as a career, so it's not the same thing... putting up with it because you want to is different than putting up with it because you have to. Additionally, everyone has different thresholds for abuse. I've dealt with similar trials before, but just because I can handle it, doesn't mean that it's OK or not damaging to the individual. I had a pretty fucked up childhood, so dealing with assholes wasn't difficult incomparison. Martin probably grew up in a good household and never had to deal with too much adversity in his social life, thus what Incognito and Pouncey did to him was a shock to his system... good people don't treat one another that way. I can be a bastard to my friends, but I built those relationships with them... if I tried some of the shit I do with good friends to co-workers, it would make them uncomfortable quite quickly, because *gasp* I have a different relationship with them.

    Regardless of the self-justifying bullshit you want to spew, in a workplace, you shouldn't have to put up with harassment/bullying if you do not choose to do so. Martin clearly had enough and left, like any resaonable person would do... that shouldn't affect his career, because the behavior he had to endure was not acceptable to any reasonable person. At the end of the day, Incognito and Pouncey were poor leaders (not to mention the coaching staff)... they didn't get Martin to buy into what they were selling. If they had done so, Martin would have happily accepted all the harrassment/bullying... just like all the Soldiers, fratboys, players, etc... who do. People will sacrifice a lot for causes they believe in and/or leaders that they trust. That's lockerroom 101. Just treating someone like shit, without earning it, is a quick way to end up with this type of situation.
     
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    One positive is that with Emery and Trestman in charge here in Chicago, we will never see a locker room out of control like this. I think if our guys tried wearing "Free Hernandez" gear, it wouldn't fly. And if they ran off a top OL guy like Kyle Long, it wouldn't fly either. I like to think we have classier players here. I like to think Trestman has a better grip on his team than they did in Miami. It sounds like a real crapfest down there.
     
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    'self -justifying bullshit'? charming!

    I never played NFL for a living of course, although I played semi-pro soccer for a living, and its a lot more important to keep your job on the team when the money you are earning is the difference between food on the table or not, so I'm probably better qualified to discuss locker room dynamics than you are! Excuse me if I dont have much sympathy for a professional sportsman earning multiple millions of pounds a year. Its a job... but like no other, you man up and you deal with it, we all deal with assholes or stressful and testing situations each day, its called life. There are different locker rooms, different types of people, your view isn't the de facto right one. Miami knew their locker room dynamic, they knew OL are a different breed even amongst NFL players, they knew how their shit operates. They should either have put a lid on it early if they didnt like it, or they shouldn't have drafted such a shrinking violet, but right or wrong, that kind of stuff goes on all over the world in a thousand different walks of life, always has and always will. Maybe you'd care to re-read what I said again before jumping to conclusions and this time climb down off the soapbox and leave the knee-jerk one-world sanctimonious bs at the door?
     
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