If we had an opportunity to sign OT Jonathan Martin cheap, should we do that?

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    Has never been known for trouble???!!!! LMAO :rofl:!!! Are you serious Ric?

    I wouldn't want Incognito because he's older...and he's a jag off who's a cancer to a locker room. This guy was suspended twice at Nebraska....TWICE, and finally sent packing! Suspended and sent packing by a coach who let a guy play who was awaiting trial for attempted murder, and also let a d-lineman play who was arrested eight times, convicted four times, and left the heartland accused of multiple sexual assaults(That guy was inducted into the Nebraska hall of fame in 06 by the way!)!!! What did HE do that was so bad the coach sent HIM packing and not those other guys? He lasted all of a week in Oregon before getting sent packing from there. He's a guy who got in a confrontation with his head coach in St. Louis, and was cut after committing 38 penalties in 44 games. Earlier in the year he knocked out a security guard at the Fontain Bleu in Miami(which you won't here about because the Dolphins got the hotel to bury the tape). He's an admitted drug user...it just goes on and on with this guy. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my locker room if I wanted a team that was going to win.
     
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    Martin is a young guy who was made a starter day-1. Kindof like we did with Kyle Long and Jordan Mills. This season, obviously, it all fell apart and he didn't finish the season. It sounds like Martin can play right or left tackle at a starter level now, but has a ways to go to improve. Our youngsters do too.

    Do you kick the tires on a guy like this in a low-risk, high-reward situation? I'd have no problem with that if we could do it on the cheap. Regarding the comparison with J'Marcus Webb, there is a difference. Webb never had the pedigree that Martin has. Webb came from having failed at a top program. He left Texas and went to tiny Navarro College and bounced to West Texas A&M. Obviously the guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer either. Martin on the other hand is bright and had a rock solid career at Stanford as a LT. I'm not saying this makes Martin a solid NFL left tackle, but again, it makes me think a smart team will "kick the tires" on the kid to see if there may be something worth having. If not. Cut him.

    But if he DOES have talent, they you've brought in a solid LT that can help your team for several years to come. Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't this what solid teams do? Don't they explore opportunities like this when an opportunity drops into their lap? And this isn't just the Martin thing. Anytime a player looks like he's worth kicking the tires on, in a value situation, I have no problem with Emery weighing the positives vs negatives and taking some calculated risks to make the team better.
     
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    "...w/cutler here..." the lib reading comprehension is way down in this thread.


    I see no reward in either of them that's the point. Webb was a starter for what 2 years? doesn't make him anygood. Their OL was brutal and he was part of that.
     
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    Lets address this in the two parts that it was written. Your first paragraph is very well written and I concur with almost everything you say in it. I adamantly agree with your comments regarding selective conscience and morality, and I will add the utter disregard for simple public decorum. I fervently agree with your discussion about going along with the mob mentality and the degradation of our social morality that results from it. Not only do I agree with those opinions, but I live my life in that fashion and I raise my kids with the same awareness. I could site example after example of standing up for the very principles you espouse, putting my personal and professional reputation at risk, but that would be lengthy, boring, and ultimately pointless. With that said, you should know that you have a kindred spirit here.

    Now on to the second paragraph. I don't give a rats ass if you directed your comments at me or not. In fact, I would be far less critical if I thought you were just talking to me, but since I am quite opposed to the whole mob mentality that perhaps we share as a personal attribute, I get a little bent when the ideas and opinions of a small group of people are shouted down and demonized by the larger group. For instance, Ric has shared an opinion on this topic that is similar to mine, yet he has had words put in his mouth throughout this entire thread for the sake of diminishing his ACTUAL points to make the challengers points appear stronger. I find it ironic that you challenge my comprehension of "context" when you yourself (among others) have been obfuscating the context of alternate opinions throughout this whole thread, and then have the gall to suggest that I am confused about the rules of language. You continue to suggest that I believe you're illiterate when I did not say anything of the kind, yet YOU choose to lecture ME about assumptions. I merely stated that "...sometimes I think we are doomed because of our inability to communicate, or maybe it's our inability to actually hear/read what the other person is saying." I stand by that, because YOU attacked people that had a different opinion as "ignorant bastards". Since your opinion is in the majority in this thread, are you not going against the very principles of the mob rule mentality that you apply to yourself in the first paragraph. No, you're not illiterate at all, you just don't want to hear the opinions of others and when you do, you resort to disparaging personal attacks. Perhaps you prefer to attack with straw man arguments, red herrings or other logical fallacies to attempt to prove your points, but then it turns into a disingenuous debate.

    In conclusion, let me just say again, I HAVE SEEN NO ONE IN THIS THREAD TRY TO JUSTIFY THE ACTIONS OF INCOGNITO, NOR SUGGEST THAT THOSE ACTIONS WERE ANYTHING CLOSE TO "RIGHT". I HAVE SEEN NO ONE TRY TO EXCUSE HIS ACTIONS WHATSOEVER. Yet I have seen many posts that attack the few opinions expressed that perhaps Martin was not completely blameless in this fiasco either, but try to assign the "Richie did nothing wrong" to those posts. So Warlock, before begin another condescending and derogatory attack on others on this board or in this thread, how about you try an open your mind to the breadth that you claim it is; perhaps the level of assumption that you appear to be applying to others could possibly be found in the mirror.

    Once last damn thing. I know we all strive to live in Shangri-La, and that's not a bad thing to strive for, but it doesn't exist. Does that mean we quit trying to find it? No, but the human condition of imperfection will never allow it. If an NFL player is pushed out for "bullying", then I can name hundreds of others that have done far worse that are "given a second chance". I'm all for banning Incognito for life, I'm just against the hypocrisy of doing that, yet allowing convicts back in the game, or players like Rothlisberger to cover up his actions. If you are going to clean up the league, then damn it, clean it up. I'm all for it.
     
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    So Cutler being here was a guaranteed lock that BMarsall would behave himself...that we all haven't been pleasantly shocked and relieved that BMarshall hasn't been locker room cancer, but actually proven to be a positive role model since coming to the Bears? BMashall was a locker room risk...and it's worked out...but working out didn't make him any less risky....didn't rewrite history...
     
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    You mean the panzy that ratted out Incognito?

    that's a load of crap. Every workplace I have been in, every group of guys I have hung around w/have been very off color in it's nature and that includes women that are in the same department. This Idea that PC has taken hold in the real world is a load.

    stop , he was hardly bullied he was teased and in no harsher of a way then most men tease their closest friends.

    HE WAS NOT BULLIED, the fact that the PC world is trying to equate this as bullying is laughable at best

    And this is not a typical job we are talking about, this is a workforce that s largely backing the "bully" and not just in their locker room, but in multiple locker rooms.



    Those are a few comments are just from the 1st page of this thread....some people have indeed excused his actions...
     
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    yes Cutler being here was a guaranteed lock BMarsh, in the locker room would be okay. He'd never acted out of place when Cutler was on his team.
     
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    Can't fight that stunning logic...
     
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    Marshall was never a locker room problem...he has several off the field problems...whether Cutler was on his team or not, which lead to him being suspended by the league. I think him getting his mental issues solved has more to do with him now than who's on his team and who's not.
     
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    Never mind the fact that Brandon Marshall was on proper medication for bipolar disorder when he came to Chicago, and subsequently hasn't had any sort of trouble; never mind the fact that he was arrested multiple times as a teammate of Cutler's in Denver and also forget the phrase "false cause"
     
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