If we had an opportunity to sign OT Jonathan Martin cheap, should we do that?

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  1. Chicago_66

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    The report disagrees as well. Page 48 excerpt:

     
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    Add in Sam and you have a reality show for the ages. Those three together......
     
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    Unfortunately, nowadays, people just bring a gun to work and kill everybody. That doesn't make it "right" though.
     
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    I find it funny you think my statement laughable. You don't know me and I don't know you so an internet pissing match is a waste of time, for all I know you may be able to kick my ass...but for all you know I might be able to make you drink out of a straw for a month or need surgery on a major joint. It's all a guessing game really.

    As for my view on it, while I am not an NFL player making millions, because of my line of work I spend more than my fair share of time around them in a way less than formal setting, and I did play college football at the 1-AA level....I've been in my fair share of locker rooms. I can without a doubt say nothing like this has ever occurred. None the NFL players I am around, in a setting as close to the locker room as you can get have never uttered anything close to this. To say that this is just ball busting is laughable. Jokes don't have the intent of breaking a man. Breaking a man mentally doesn't make him a better football player...it makes them worse(if you know anything about the psychie of pro athletes you would know this). Further, what is the point of breaking a man if you never seek to bring them back up? You make these statements about Martin as if he wasn't a successful athlete. He was unbelievably successful before being subjected the incognito...that only leaves one conclusion. Martin didn't need to get tougher...guys like incognito just need excuses to be a-holes.

    Lastly, Martin shouldn't have to punch out a teammate to have him leave him alone. This isn't a grade school play ground. If you read the report Martin felt a physical confrontation wasn't an option because it would have been a 3 on 1 fight, and it simply wasn't in his nature...he was more intellectual than that. The idea that he had tougher to me is laughable. Here's part of his scouting report:
    Intangibles: Above-average football smarts and general intelligence. Plays with a nasty streak. Solid character and work ethic.
     
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    that's why it was laughable, I wasn't saying one of us could best the other, it's an impossible argument to have and therefore the statement is in fact laughable.

    Problem is that Martin, by his teammates view is/was too soft, again I look at it as a JWebb thing, guy looks the part but isn't. And it wasn't just incognito, it was a couple guys giving Martin shit, Incognito just took it way overboard. There are 1000's of successful hs/college athletes that cannot make it in the NFL, there are 100's of NFL level athletes that never make it in the NFL, what seperates the players at this level is their agression, mental toughness and work ethic/drive. Again, you think JWebb hasn't been successful or doesn't have the physical ability to play in the NFL? He does, so did JaMarcus Russell, the difference is the mental aspect holds them back. Some guys its the exact opposite, some guys just don't have the physical ability no matter their work ethic(Rex Grossman, Orton, Bradley, A-Train, Bauzine etc just naming guys from the Bears). But Martin doesn't fall into the physical limitations.
     
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    And if Incognito had not taken it overboard, everything likely would have been fine. No story. no one suspended or leaving the team.
     
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    Martin was a highly regarded player coming out of college. I started reading some of the report and it is clearly wrong but seems he lacks a backbone to and I am scared he lost his Pshycee. He very well could be ruined as a result. Not sure how you would evaluate him to determine his worth. Hate to have a DE in a game talk some shit and have him walk off. I know the report is over time but gotta keep coming back to his PSHYCEE. Think thats how you spell it?? Scared he would be waving the flag below

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    Benj, no it wouldn't have been b/c he'd be Jamarcus Webb, he'd be to mentally weak to actually play at a high level and for a team that has put a draft pick and money and time into him, again it wasn't just incognito, his entire team backed Richie in this, not one person, even the others that were getting teased/"bullied" backed Martin, it screams volumes about the situation.
     
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    Honestly, this case seems a little messed up for everyone involved, but Incognito clearly has problems with boundaries, and Martin's text to his friend explaining that he hates to come into work every day because of that crap really makes it seem like he was putting on a "front" to put up with the bullying as best as he can. Anyone that's never dealt with bullying in some form just cannot understand this, so their opinion must be discounted.

    With that said, Martin MUST be questioned about his drug use, to see if he was just partying to avoid further bullying or if he has a problem, before signing with any team.
     
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    Everyone has a breaking point though Ric. There is only so much that one person can take before they break or snap. For Martin, we discovered what that is.

    What would be your breaking point? For that matter, what do you define as bullying?
     

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