If we had an opportunity to sign OT Jonathan Martin cheap, should we do that?

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    I think the thing most everyone is overlooking in deciding whether or not to keep Martin is the drug use. I haven't paid much attention to the report, but was he doing it on his own, or was he kind of bullied into it?
     
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    Also, there is a reason to go from "accepting it" for years to going full nuclear... sometimes you just can't handle it anymore and all that shit that's been building up, finally comes to a head.
     
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    That's what I keep coming back to. The world is changing. The NFL is changing. Players, fans, coaches - everyone - might as well realize this. And frankly, the old school tactics of letting a thug "toughen up" a co-worker doesn't work anyway. At the least you risk what happened - losing a player who has talent, and at the worst, you risk what you read about all the time now, about a guy who just brings a gun to work and kills people. It's nuts.

    I've worked in a high-testosterone environment most of my life - in the Marine Corps and over 30 years in law enforcement. One thing I've learned is that when the monkeys run the zoo like in Miami, bad things happen. You read about it all the time where military units and police sub-units get into some really bad stuff. It's an unhealthy mentality that goes viral. Good units, on the other hand, work together to build people up. It's not about "toughening up" people, but rather encouraging them to be a valuable team member. In the Marines or as a cop, those guys are people you're entrusting your life to - every day. You put on the body armor, load up the guns and go to work. The LAST person I would ever bully in those situations are the ones on my team that help keep me alive to go home when my work is done.

    People here rationalize that it's okay for Miami to let thugs like Mike "Free Hernandez" Pouncey and Ingognito bully co-workers because it's an "alpha male" environment. I think otherwise. I think a lot of folks are living in the past. This stuff doesn't fly anymore, and it doesn't work anyway. So why do it? Miami shot themselves in the foot here. Martin will land on a good team that treats him like a human being, and he'll probably flourish with a fine career. Miami's loss.
     
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    Everyone has a breaking point
     
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    I'm not defending Incognito, he's definitely an asshole, but to say that Martin is an innocent victim here is asinine and clearly you shuffled through the report without actually retaining anything from it. (see, I can make bullshit statements about reading it too).

    I never said that the point where Incognito reached out after the blow-up is what I'm talking about, he's definitely trying to cover his ass at that point. I think even if I was friends with someone I'd be pretty pissed too if they threw me, my entire OL unit, and the Dolphins franchise under the bus. To me there were plenty of texts that showed they were friends. Do I talk to my friends like that? No. But thats how that whole group talked to each other and MARTIN TALKED RIGHT BACK IN THE SAME DAMN MANNER. That's encouraging the behavior to continue. You look at the Las Vegas trip. He said hey, I can't go I'm dealing with too much. Did Incognito talk shit at that point? Did he call him a giant pussy and a stinky pakistani? No.. at that point.. when Martin made it clear he was distressed and offering to pay.. he said something along the lines of "Hey man don't worry about it, hope you're okay". When Martin confided to Incognito about his depression he was supportive. I feel like I'm overstating this, but I guess a lot of you can't read when I write it.. I'm not defending Incognitos actions. I'm merely making the point that Martin is just as bad, in a different way. That is never how you handle the situation. It's ridiculous to run to the media and cause a shit storm when you haven't taken a single damn step in curbing the problem. Not one!
     
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    I am not sure that the whole group talked about killing someone's whole family or running a train on their loved ones.

    But, not many friends/co-workers would. Maybe Incognito thinks that is normal behavior amongst friends
     
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    That's bullshit, you don't go full nuclear first thing.. half the world would be a wasteland if people followed that logic. That's like hearing about a mass shooting and being like "Well.. I mean they were picking on him." You don't go to a higher figure in the chain of command to get him to deal with it.. you don't try to talk it out verbally.. you don't lift a single finger.. worse yet.. you participate in the teasing of others yourself and talk shit right back with no talk of stopping to speak of? And then you go full Rambo.. thats your next move? That's ridiculous. Once again.. I'm not saying Incognito is this faultless icon of goodness in the world.. he's a dirty player and an asshole.. but Martin handled it awfully and someone who has a Mother with a Harvard Law degree and attended Standford himself should have enough sense to know that. There's an HR department for a reason. Coach Philbin talked before the season about coming forward to him if there were problems. How can people ignore this? Martin put a terrible light on the organization he's playing for and, to me, there's no room for that on our squad. You come and tell Kromer.. you tell Trest.. you tell Emery.. you tell SOMEONE before you go crying to the media about how they all mistreated you.

    And you bring up the fact Incognito tried to cover his ass.. what about Martin saving a voicemail for months? Sounds like Mommy with the degree might have imparted a few lessons on what it takes for a workplace lawsuit to little sonny boy.
     
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    2 time all American, and a 2nd round draft pick thought to be one of the best tackles In the draft. Performed well enough as a rookie that the dolphins were willing to let their long time left tackle Jake Long go and have him be the replacement. That's enough for me SON. Again....read his scouting report....HE WAS A ROAD GRADER!! Pouncey is a thug and a half wit, I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT(from more than 1 guy who has played with him). And if you want any more of an example of the inmates running the asylum, in that fine book incognito wanted destroyed, pouncey was fined $100 for an FBI investigation in a murder, Martin was fined more than that for being an alleged puss for not wanting to bang strippers. Perhaps he should have aided in a murder to prove how mentally tough he is eh? As for the other guy, you think a fringe player who has been cut more than once is going to say anything bad about anyone running a team? Come on now....I know you're smarter than that...right?

    I'll take the word of his former head coach more than 3 half wit thugs and you when it comes to his mental toughness:

    “Coach Harbaugh emphasized that he never doubted Martin’s physical or mental toughness, and he believes that Martin can continue to have a successful career in the NFL. Coach Harbaugh also said that the atmosphere in the Stanford locker room, in his view, was not materially different from that of the San Francisco 49ers’ locker room,” the report said.
     
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    So are you condoning how Martin went about this? I mean you're ignoring the fact I've said multiple times I'm not saying what Incognito did was right. I'm saying Martin handled it poorly. Since everyone is picking parts of what I've said and not saying a word on the rest I'll have to ask outright.. Are you disagreeing? Do you think this is how anyone should handle bullying in the NFL? Not say a single word or raise a single objection until you run to ESPN to make this their story of the week?
     
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    Also, I gotta say, when taken out of context of course it looks horrible. I wouldn't let that slide, talking shit about my family.. but that's me. I've heard friends talk to each other in ways that would be appalling to some people. Honestly nothing I read in there bothered me at all, I've heard twice as worse on Xbox chat or even with grade schoolers in certain areas. Once you're acting that way long enough it isn't shocking to you. The racism bit kinda struck me wrong, but I'm not in a place to judge that.
     

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