I'm calling out Peppers...

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    If you think watching McClellin get steamrolled on running plays is going to be an improvement, you're on your own.
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    The Bears coaches are playing their best players right now. The problem is we don't have a lot of quality options. The bench doesn't have anything to shout about.
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    Hey, I'd vote for benching McClellin, but they wouldn't even let CornWash step on the field today. So, realistically, I am just asking for split time with my adopted Bear. Then compare his performance to McClellin's and adjust their playing time accordingly. For the life of me, I can't understand why they don't at least try that. Seems to me they don't have much to lose.
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    Well, next year most of these defensive players will be out of a job.

    There are a number who have their contracts expiring at years end, not sure if any of them are earning a new one..... not sure if Peppers will see 2014 as his play has... deteriorated for at least one of any number of reasons
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    That may be true,but there is only one way to test that assumption. To the extent that the starters are not getting the job done, you don't risk much by making some changes. Matt Schaub stunk up the joint in SF tonight, and they are talking about benching him. If you aren't getting the job done, then take a seat on the bench.
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    The coaches are undoubtedly more upset with the situation than we are. They know the talent situation far better than we do. They want to win even more than we do - ultimately, it's their jobs that are on the line. Consequently, as frustrated as we get, I figure the coaches are doing their best with a really bad situation.

    You can bet they are playing the players that give the team the best opportunity to win games. If a guy is sitting on the bench, that's because he's a drop in talent from the guys playing.
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    I don't know. They may still make some changes,but may wait til the Bears are 6-8 to do it. Frustration>>Desperation>>Action. Not there yet.
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    I was curious as to whether or not he even played. His name didn't appear ONCE in the game box score on ESPN, which I found kinda hard to believe. SURELY he registered at least one single "stat." No sacks? No tackles? No QB hits? No QB pressures???? All game long???!!!!
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    ^He was definitely there, if only in spirit...last I read Peppers makes somewhere around 9 mil, obviously too much to justify keeping him on next season. That money could be well used refortifying the rest of the D as well as bringing in another offensive threat(possibly a legitimate backup qb in the form of an aspiring draft pick). Personally I like the guy and I think he actually has a few seasons left in him, especially with the likes of McClellin in the NFL(If you look at Shea's bodytype he belongs nowhere near the line, not even linebacker, we would be better off if he took Conte's spot and Conte was dismissed), we just can't afford to pay Peppers, and you know Cutler's gonna be looking for that fat contract that sinks this whole org. come the end of this season.
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    hmmm........'86 was the first year I watched Bears football, but I've seen & read enough to know that statement ain't all true.....

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaytWa00.htm
    '85 was in fact his 2nd best season.
    no Bear has rushed for 1333 yards since, which is what Walter had in '86, his 12th season. Good enough for 5th in the league.
    If you look at the numbers, only in his rookie year, '81-'82 & his final year of '87 was he not among the best in the league.
    31-32 year old Walter Payton --- better than any Bear RB since.

    Peppers has had a great career, but he can't be compared with someone like Sweetness in any analogy.
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    Peppers will for sure be cut next season. Cutler will probably get extended because there isn't any alternative and Emery would have to pull a mircale off to find a QB better than Cutler in the 2014 draft..

    The defense need a fresh start. The only pick I want to see made on the offense in the next years draft is a QB gem like Willson or Brady. This defense has so many needs it not even fun. And Peppers is just playing downright bad, and that sucks.
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    In 1984 he had 1,648 yards LINK
    Each year after that his yardage went DOWN:

    All of the great ones, I've seen over the past half-century have gotten old at some point. You can beat defenders, but eventually age catches up with even the great ones. Some last longer than others. Some players are done by age 30 or so. A guy like George Blanda or Brett Favre get to the other side of 40.

    But eventually they ALL get old. The thing with me is that I don't hate on them when they do eventually get old. I try to remember their good years. It's a different time we live in now. People like to hate. Some (now in today's world) would hate on Walter towards the end. Or any of our great Hall of Famers.

    We're like spoiled children stamping our foot and throwing a tantrum screaming "how DARE they get old"......it's sad. People are delusional.


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    Nobody can deny Peppers is getting old, that is reality. But what boggles my and probably other mind aswell is how fast he went from "top" to rock botton. Last season he did play well imo and now he just plays bad. In one offseason without any major injurie you can't put all the blame on age.
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    my mind is easily boggled, but I have never seen a drop off like that unless it was associated with an injury. If he is not injured, then something else is going on with the D in general. And he is not the only one that is not performing to last years standards.
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    There must bea reason that Corn Wash is not on the field yet. I mean if they are willing to trade a 1st round pick (Carimi) and cut a three year starter (Webb) and start a fifth round rookie in Mills, this organization is not afraid to make changes.

    I would like to see what the kid is capable of, because Im not a fan of McClellin, at least as a DE in a 4-3 Defense. It is obvious that something is effecting Pep, and with our interior line totally decimated by injury, I think we are going to need to go get some help off the street just to have some depth.
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    He just may not be where they want. What was the name of that TE we had and let go that had freak athletic ability? Used to play basketball? Corn Wash may be the same thing. A freak with athletic ability, but not a football player.
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    I think of it (in some ways) like the Urlacher situation. One day you realize the guy is showing his age. For the record, the Bears have had him listed with injuries and/or illness most of the 5 games this season - including an injury this past week (chest). Age and injuries just catch up with players. We want them to go on ballin forever. But, sadly, that doesn't happen. The rate of decline is unique to each player. Some have a very gradual decline over a few years. Others can go downhill pretty fast. A defensive lineman's body gets a lot of abuse, and a lot of injuries. Pep has played 12 seasons. It probably shouldn't be a surprise to us that he's not the player he once was.
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    Amazing how at the start of the year Pep and others were saying he was perhaps in the best shape of his career and looked and felt great. Was it the 2m paycut/restructure that did it or is he hurt? Sure he should have a decline b/c of age but if he was in such glorious shape it should have been a slower decline not fall off a cliff.
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    It's pretty common for professional athletes to think they can play forever. They really believe it, when they say this stuff.....it's not that they're lying at the time. Look at Urlacher for a recent example. The guy was looking pretty pathetic last season, yet wanted a big contract this season. Denial. Total denial. Of course us fans are just as guilty. We are just as much in denial when these guys decline.

    Reality "is what it is" and even the best athletes get old.
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    Comparing Pep to Urlacher is disingenuous unless Pep has a more serious injury. Even being a shell of his former self there should be more flashes of what he once was. There's more to it than age, sorry.
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